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Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by dredmorbius »

hhw wrote: post #38
dredmorbius wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the BSDs emerged from the BSD (Berkeley Standard Distribution) Unix tradition. All offer a generally monolithic "cathedral" style development approach to the OS as a whole (kernel, libraries, utilities, applications), rather than the more piecemeal "bazaar" style favored by most GNU/Linux distros. The BSDs in general have fragmented rather less than GNU/Linux development has, though the latter have also captured…

Note that Android uses a Linux kernel, but a fair amount of BSD in the libs and userland.

Drawing ideological boundaries is always a fraught process.

Traditional GNU/Linux systems include a great deal of BSD/MIT licensed software. Locally, I've got over 3100 packages installed on a Debian box. Running grep over /usr/share/doc/*/copyright I find:

2555 of these are GPL licensed, 774 BSD, 1462 reference MIT (this may include non-license references, "MIT License" nets 28 entries), 139 Apache, 25 Python, etc.

Stallman's argument is over the core of the OS, which he makes a fair case for being kernel + compiler + core libraries. In the case of Linux, that's straight up GNU for #'s 2 and 3.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by dredmorbius »

_delirium wrote: post #36
dredmorbius wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the BSDs emerged from the BSD (Berkeley Standard Distribution) Unix tradition. All offer a generally monolithic "cathedral" style development approach to the OS as a whole (kernel, libraries, utilities, applications), rather than the more piecemeal "bazaar" style favored by most GNU/Linux distros. The BSDs in general have fragmented rather less than GNU/Linux development has, though the latter have also captured…

All offer a generally monolithic "cathedral" style development approach to the OS as a whole (kernel, libraries, utilities, applications), rather than the more piecemeal "bazaar" style favored by most GNU/Linux distros. This has gotten a bit less true, though not entirely. The classic Unix model really did develop the entire system in the unified development model: kernel, userland, servers, major application softwar…

You could then also install third-party packages

Sure. And that's always been the case. There's a question of what constitutes the "core OS", though in the case of the BSDs there's also a pretty strong tradition that this conforms largely to the state of BSD/UNIX in the late 1980s / early 1990s: kernel, libraries, userland, mail, DNS, lpd. While you can add a webserver to a UNIX system, it doesn't require one in the same way that, say, mail and cron are pretty much required to get basic tasks done.

I suspect Oracle's PoV is that a crappy 1970s proprietary database server and security-negative Java runtime are integral parts of every operating system and should be included by default, as well as the license compliance system required to manage them.

Windows Server is absolutely a Cathedral, though Microsoft has had its own reign over the system tempered by both legal and marketplace / partner considerations -- hands tied in the first case, business reality requiring they toss some scraps to their vassals in the second.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by Fuxy »

I doubt he'd be willing to keep it up for more then a year but that still is a lot of help.

Personally i think the way OpenBSD asked for help was kind of wrong.

They just completely ignored the little each community member can pitch in and went for the big companies.

That's how it seems at least from their announcement.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by notastartup »

mappu wrote: post #24

Source was slashdot: http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/0348247 A few people asking about the 'billionaire' citation, he is the man behind http://mpex.co/ , an options exchange (css, who needs it?) and he apparently has a net worth of over 700k BTC ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321265.msg3449849#ms... )

is it possible for him to withdraw all that at the market rate? Even if he withdrew regularly, wouldn't that cause him to affect the value of the bitcoins? I wonder if there's enough liquidity.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by repsilat »

notastartup wrote: post #44
mappu wrote: post #24

Source was slashdot: http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/0348247 A few people asking about the 'billionaire' citation, he is the man behind http://mpex.co/ , an options exchange (css, who needs it?) and he apparently has a net worth of over 700k BTC ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321265.msg3449849#ms... )

is it possible for him to withdraw all that at the market rate? Even if he withdrew regularly, wouldn't that cause him to affect the value of the bitcoins? I wonder if there's enough liquidity.

Nah, not really. "Real" worth would be thr integral of price from current holdings to zero, not the product of holdings and price. Unfortunately that would be impossible to model (depends on future information and on how he sold it), so we just go with the simple upper-bound we have.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by simias »

canadev wrote: post #17

What is the relationship between OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD? And why would one choose one of those over Linux? Edit: Here's a link I just found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_sys... And one more: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/explaining-bsd/compa...

The first un*x I've ever installed was FreeBSD. At the time I didn't have internet at (my parent's) home and had to rely on the CDs and the user manual.

To this day I think it's the best introduction to the Unix world I could've had.

All the documentation is great and since the BSDs are somewhat more monolithic than GNU/Linux distributions it's very well self-contained and coherent.

After a day of work I went from formating the hard drive, bootloaders etc.. to having a full blown KDE environment.

And I knew how everything worked underneath. It truly felt like an achievement. And that's how I became a loyal FreeBSD user.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by brohee »

schwarze_pest wrote: post #16
yan wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nitpick, OpenBSD came out of Theo's disagreements with the NetBSD team, not the other way around.

lies... http://quigon.bsws.de/papers/2009/eurobsdcon-faster_packets/...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Paul_Thomann

Henning's humor isn't THAT inaccessible...

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by josephagoss »

hueving wrote: post #31
josephagoss wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No way he has 1,000,000 BTC. Perhaps 200,000. At the moment Satoshi is still the only Bitcoin Billionaire with several people waiting on btc = $2,500 until they join the billionaire club. I'm guessing you're the Pankkake from Bitcointalk?

How would you know that? Someone could easily spread the coins across many addresses.

A lot of people on the Bitcointalk forums have made educated guesses, the fact is he still works on his business and charges for subscription to his blog, I doubt he has amassed the largest stash of Bitcoins in the world.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by rtpg »

repsilat wrote: post #45
notastartup wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it possible for him to withdraw all that at the market rate? Even if he withdrew regularly, wouldn't that cause him to affect the value of the bitcoins? I wonder if there's enough liquidity.

Nah, not really. "Real" worth would be thr integral of price from current holdings to zero, not the product of holdings and price. Unfortunately that would be impossible to model (depends on future information and on how he sold it), so we just go with the simple upper-bound we have.

if there are enough bids out there, you could do everything more or less instantaneously. I doublt there are 700kBTC worth of bids out there, but probably $20k
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