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Re: Wozniak: “Actually, the movie was largely a lie about me”

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Post by dllthomas »

nostromo wrote: post #21
waterlesscloud wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woz did things everyone knows they can't do, so he's marginalized as a freak. Jobs did things everyone thinks they can do, so he's worshipped as a god. I'm half-kidding. Half not.

To me they are the quintessential yin-yang startup duo. You don't have to pick a favorite. You don't need to figure out which one pulled more weight. It seems likely that if you removed one, the other would have failed. edit: chill out folks, I don't mean either guy would have been a penniless itinerant without the other. I'm saying they were much more successful together than apart. I know it's popular here to hate…

Depends how you define "failed", in Woz's case.

Re: Wozniak: “Actually, the movie was largely a lie about me”

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Post by phaus »

noname123 wrote: post #15
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really familiar with this stereotype. Quite the contrary, it seems to me that a lot of geeks and nerds are very passionate about their musical tastes. Classic example is Patrick Volkerding and Grateful Dead.

I think Woz is responding the myth that somehow Jobs has taken the aesthetics and free-spiritedness of the 60's counter-culture revolution and infused into Apple and that's what has made it stand out and thrive in comparison to the staid counterparts in computing (e.g., IBM/HP/Microsoft). Also, there was a long-standing rumor that Jobs had a long-time "under-the-table" liason with Joan Baez who was also a long time m…

>Tbh, it's sad that Woz comes out of the woodwork once in awhile to carp on his one-time partner.

It dishonors both men to allow falsehoods to become the accepted truth. If someone tried to convinced the world that everything that you accomplished in your life was the result of someone else's effort, and they all bought into it, I'm sure you'd be at least a little upset by it.

Re: Wozniak: “Actually, the movie was largely a lie about me”

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Post by glasz »

mindcrime wrote: post #22
jokoon wrote: post #17

I want a movie about bill gates

What, Anti-trust [1] wasn't good enough for you? [1]: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0218817/

yep, anti-trust is rather good. but very much less fact than fiction, i'd say. (no, i absolutely do not like gates. not only because of the glasses he used to wear.)

if anybody is into documentaries:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIZGDT7ZqdM

http://vimeo.com/6303800

for the german-speaking audience (there might be an english version, couldn't find one though):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k_NcVpADgM

Re: Wozniak: “Actually, the movie was largely a lie about me”

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Post by mrtksn »

Unlike "The Pirates of Silicon Valley", "Jobs" was painful to watch and it was not only because it was a bad movie but because I've already red the biography by Isaacson.

It felt like somebody was lying to me to things I know that are not that way. It was like a creationist teaching me the evolution theory.

I don't claim that The Pirates of Silicon Valley is completely accurate but but Jobs(movie) was out of line. It's not just that it got many facts wrong or lacked very important events, it felt so wrong on many levels, especially the way characters were portrayed.

Re: Wozniak: “Actually, the movie was largely a lie about me”

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Post by mandeepj »

phaus wrote: post #28
nostromo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me they are the quintessential yin-yang startup duo. You don't have to pick a favorite. You don't need to figure out which one pulled more weight. It seems likely that if you removed one, the other would have failed. edit: chill out folks, I don't mean either guy would have been a penniless itinerant without the other. I'm saying they were much more successful together than apart. I know it's popular here to hate…

You should read or reread Woz's comment from OP. He was already quite successful, and widely respected. He may not have ended up being a billionaire without Jobs, but he wouldn't have been a failure. Jobs on the other hand struggled in nearly every aspect of his life, he couldn't stick with college, he got a job at Atari based on someone else's work, he was such a giant douche to everyone there that they wanted to fi…

"Jobs would probably have died homeless and friendless if Apple never existed." - so funny.

Besides Apple, Pixar and Next made Jobs billionaire too. So, no jobs would not have died homeless and friendless :-) . Jobs was a natural leader and visionary.

Re: Wozniak: “Actually, the movie was largely a lie about me”

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Post by jbuzbee »

noname123 wrote: post #15
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really familiar with this stereotype. Quite the contrary, it seems to me that a lot of geeks and nerds are very passionate about their musical tastes. Classic example is Patrick Volkerding and Grateful Dead.

I think Woz is responding the myth that somehow Jobs has taken the aesthetics and free-spiritedness of the 60's counter-culture revolution and infused into Apple and that's what has made it stand out and thrive in comparison to the staid counterparts in computing (e.g., IBM/HP/Microsoft). Also, there was a long-standing rumor that Jobs had a long-time "under-the-table" liason with Joan Baez who was also a long time m…

I wouldn't hold Allen up as an example of reinvention as his "renaissance" activities now include patent trolling. And Woz is none too happy about that:

http://www.geekwire.com/2011/woz-paul-allen-stop-patent-trol...

Re: Wozniak: “Actually, the movie was largely a lie about me”

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Post by gnaffle »

rtpg wrote: post #2

For those who haven't yet, I'd highly recommend reading "Steve Jobs", the biography by Isaacson. It portrays pretty much all of these events like Woz describes them, and is a very complete portrait of Jobs. Woz' status at HP as referenced isn't really covered, but his actions during the Apple I and II launches are pretty complete. EDIT: I'd like to point out that this book covers everything, up to Jobs death, and is…

While I think the book was worth the read, I think Isaacson was wrong on so many small and big things and failed to go into others, and he really did a poor job with the book. I recommend the two Hypercritical podcasts about the book, which really goes into some depth about the problems with the book:

http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/42 (starts 18 minutes in) http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/43

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