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Yale students made a better version of its course catalog. Yale shut it down

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Re: Yale students made a better version of its course catalog. Yale shut it down

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Who would want to upload files via the HTML standard? Shouldn't you be using some sort of SOAP API with an ActiveX control? Or maybe the users should login to their local ActiveDirectory server and transfer the file to a shared folder via SMB/CIFS. /s

The hair on my neck was raising up until I got to the /s Well played.

Please elaborate

Re: Yale students made a better version of its course catalog. Yale shut it down

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Some Berkeley students developed a similar service called Ninja Courses[1]. This lets you browse through classes, order textbooks and also shows ratings. (Although all the ratings are submitted by Ninja Courses users, I believe.) It can even automatically build a schedule for you by choosing lectures and sections that don't overlap, optimizing based on user preferences. For example: do you want more morning classes,…

RIT also has a similar service [1] there's a new ui in the works for the spring, but it's interesting to see how widespread this issue is. Also I have to say RIT has done an awesome job if coordinating with the devs, they give a CVS dump of their course database periodically. [1] http://schedule.csh.rit.edu

This has been around in one form or another since at least 2003 in several iterations, since John Resig made the first version. It may have been the first such "schedule maker" although at that time it did not offer "Course Roulette" which I see it has now!

Re: Yale students made a better version of its course catalog. Yale shut it down

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Let's not blow this out of proportion. They scraped private data (that required a Yale login) without permission and accidentally made it available to a wider audience than intended. Yale has historically been very supportive of these things. A couple of years ago, they acquired another very slick course catalog website, Yale Bluebook, for a good chunk of money [1]. [1] http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2012/08/01/univer…

Yale did eventually force the students to take the site down (or face disciplinary action) --- but their first move was to block it from the campus network, meaning that for a time, everyone outside Yale could see it, but a Yalie who wanted to would have to go off campus to Starbucks.

Re: Yale students made a better version of its course catalog. Yale shut it down

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Academia, and the Ivy League in particular, prides itself on being rigorously open, on providing broad access to all knowledge to advance intellectualism. In this regard, academic institutions often attack governments and corporations that intend to limit its free speech, but on the rare chance that this spirit of openness works against the institution, they take a hard liner approach to censoring it. The basic reaso…

Start up idea: Glassdoor for universities. It's a worldwide problem and choosing the wrong class can harm your curriculum, you may play of fer to make sales. ... And local universities won't shut it down. Unless, of course, it's filtered by UK's pornitical filter.

Ratemyprofessor.com already does this. My local community college actually advertised that they have "Great Ratemyprofessor.com scores!!".

Re: Yale students made a better version of its course catalog. Yale shut it down

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The hair on my neck was raising up until I got to the /s Well played.

Please elaborate

I've seen several schools decide to implement mandatory functionalities using ActiveX...

You know the thing that forces you to use the most dreaded program of all times...

Edit: I hope you were /s'ing

Re: Yale students made a better version of its course catalog. Yale shut it down

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Not at all surprised. "Big campus" is another entrenched "big industry", and disruption is hard. I'm in touch with students every so often that have essentially the same ideas - "let's make it easier for students to do XYZ", where XYZ always involves campus data and/or integrating with campus system. It's damned near impossible, and the reasons are many. Some are valid, some are invalid (obviously, these are my own p…

Not every campus is like this by far.

Re: Yale students made a better version of its course catalog. Yale shut it down

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How about open sourcing the tool. Release the tool as a self hosted solution, and let any one who wants to host it, host it. Or just use for their own purposes. I am not sure if that could get them in trouble, as I am not sure what crazy provisions Yale has in their student honor code. To be safe I would obfuscate my connection to the open source tool, if I were a student.

It would still require abuse of credentials and sharing of data which has not been cleared (or may be legally unclearable) for public availability.

Just because someone has the ability to use their credentials to view information does not remove legal liability for the use of that data upon the institution providing the data.

The reason this got shut down was because there could easily be liability and security concerns - about which a couple of hacking students could give two shits.

If the students were, in fact, accepting other students' credentials to access the system in any custom form (pulling data for the particular user vs. harvesting no-account-specific data), and I were on the chopping block for IT security at the uni, you better believe this would be shut down fast. Every single user of that third-party system would be forced to set up a new password and reminded of their obligations for proper handling of their own security.

Now, get off my lawn!

Re: Yale students made a better version of its course catalog. Yale shut it down

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Looks like ratemyprofessors.com is still kicking after ten (?) years.

A professor has no pull on an external site. But they can certainly raise a stink within their university.

When I went to UCSD back in the 80's there were the CAPE (Course and Professor Evaluation) books you could purchase. At the end of each quarter, questionnaires were left outside each lecture hall, and collected by a team of entrepreneurs. Some profs allowed the CAPE team to explain the how the rating system worked, but others just tolerated having the questionnaires distributed outside of class. In theory, UCSD could have prohibited this on campus, but they didn't. CAPE books were funny, with great comments and interesting artwork created to illustrate some of the funnier comments. But that was a different era, and physical books weren't as easy to disseminate compared to an website that shows how bad or good a prof/course is.

Re: Yale students made a better version of its course catalog. Yale shut it down

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Universities today have become a text book example of bureaucracy at its finest. Not to say bureaucracy in itself is good or bad, but I think John Stuart Mill was spot on in his remarks upon them: "A bureaucracy always tends to become a pedantocracy". Which I guess in the context of most universities today (at least in the united states from my experience), seem to have become hollow shells of their former selves, or…

I think universities have always been this way. It's ironic because they are places of learning and exploring. But only when the topics do not concern the running of the institution itself.

I think so too, but from thinking about independent researchers and organizations throughout history who have kept academia at arms length (maybe to limit their exposure to the downside that is the importance of following rules and procedures as to how to go about things and everything else be damned in its wake) when learning and exploring the frontier of their fields (after all, why would such bureaucratic systems work well on a frontier of knowledge [or frontier of anything for that matter] when one is practically facing existential questions of whatever their muse happens to be, first and foremost [for better or for worse]), I think it's becoming more generally accepted by the masses (or at least exposed) that universities aren't the only places where such things can happen or be pursued.

And the ever increasing stories (maybe unique to our times in how fast we can be informed and opine on such) we hear about academia whether they are about they increasing tuition prices for questionable returns (outside of the unquantifiable "great experience" [which seems like from my conversations with people, it is so great, that people don't even try to experience it again, just merely telling others that it was so seems to suffice]), toxic environments that lead to students and profs alike making blog posts and leaving for other opportunities that pop up on hn, or students or profs having to erect time old facades also littered in pamphlets to high schools across the world in response to such events (don't forget they also include how well their best sports team did with a full page layout of their stars and the newest buildings on campus), they don't seem to do themselves any more favors (which makes me have a laugh from time to time to see that MOOC's seem to be trying to live up to hollowed shell of university existence, but at a lower price point, with information that can more or less has been able to be found online for years [It's amazing to type into ddg on some obscure subject and find a mass of pdfs going into detail about such produced from some of those same universities decades ago, maybe to the point it really isn't that amazing anymore since it has been this way for years]).

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