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When You Get a Job Counteroffer: Should You Stay or Should You Go?

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Re: When You Get a Job Counteroffer: Should You Stay or Should You Go?

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post #15

You should consider a counter-counter-offer. Actually, any number of counters until they exhaust. Then you choose the better one.

If you're willing to treat yourself as a commodity to be auctioned off to the highest bidder, imagine how your eventual employer is going to treat you.

If OP is questioning to consider a counter-offer, what's wrong with [questioning] considering a counter-counter-offer?

Your example is not relevant - you can treat yourself as a commodity even with a single offer. Actually, even without any offer at all.

Re: When You Get a Job Counteroffer: Should You Stay or Should You Go?

#42
I tried to do a little counteroffer Jedi mind trick. It didn't go as planned.

After working almost seven years, I went on an interview that an acquaintance told me about. The interview went very well, and shortly after I left the office, they called and offered me a job. I told them I'd need a few days to think about it.

I went into work the next day and told them, then tried to see if I could get a counteroffer from them. It wouldn't have taken much for me to stay; I was working in town and the new job would be a commute. If they could have matched half of what the new offer was, I would have stayed.

But it was no dice. I took the job.

And you know what? It ended up being the best choice I could have made. The acquaintance who worked there and told me about the job I know call "friend." I moved from a solo environment to a team. My skills have improved, the pay improved, and even the commute has turned out to be a blessing thanks to audiobooks and podcasts.

Just something to think about. Honestly, I think if you think it's time to leave, you should just go. It's time. Don't fight it.

Re: When You Get a Job Counteroffer: Should You Stay or Should You Go?

#43

You should go. Accepting a counteroffer is a no-win situation. If the counteroffer is amazing, it will poison your relationships with everybody in the company: colleagues will resent you for getting what they will see as a golden ticket when they didn't, and managers will resent you for what they will interpret as mercenary tendencies -- i.e. you're just waiting for someone to come along with an even better offer bef…

If the result of telling coworkers is so undesirable, why not keep it between yourself and your immediate manager?

Re: When You Get a Job Counteroffer: Should You Stay or Should You Go?

#44
post #9

I think that an important step is to pre-empt the counter-offer. When you even start to consider another opportunity, think about why you actually want to move to the new opportunity. Is it that you need more money? Is it that you want to work on a different kind of project? Is it that you need more stimulation? Then go to your employer, and without bringing up the other opportunity, see if they are willing to make t…

Absolutely the right approach. You owe it to yourself and to your employer to be honest with them. If you think you deserve more money, a new manager, a better project, etc. then ask. You shouldn't say you'll leave if you don't get it. You just lay out your reasons and make a simple request. Also, it's important to start these conversations early. If you want more money and are ready to quit within 1 month if you don…

This is good, solid advice.

In general, taking your manager or company by surprise -- for good or bad -- is never a great strategy. If you're angling for a raise or a promotion, make your intentions known well in advance. Don't assume your boss can read your mind. Have a plan, get input from your manager, follow up on it, and show progress. Don't expect something to happen overnight, even if your boss wants to make it happen. He or she might have several layers of red tape to work through, or might be unable to give spot promotions and raises outside of a given cycle. (This is especially true at large companies, whose managers have less discretionary power than commonly believed.)

Protip: rather than asking for a raise at an arbitrary number, try to find out the pay-band structure at your company. Know what the bands are, where you fall within them, and accordingly, how much room you've got to negotiate within reason. This information isn't always public knowledge, but chances are, somebody at your company has it. Reducing information asymmetry is key to a successful negotiation.

Re: When You Get a Job Counteroffer: Should You Stay or Should You Go?

#45
post #43

You should go. Accepting a counteroffer is a no-win situation. If the counteroffer is amazing, it will poison your relationships with everybody in the company: colleagues will resent you for getting what they will see as a golden ticket when they didn't, and managers will resent you for what they will interpret as mercenary tendencies -- i.e. you're just waiting for someone to come along with an even better offer bef…

If the result of telling coworkers is so undesirable, why not keep it between yourself and your immediate manager?

Word of these kinds of things tends to get around, even if you don't spread it. In most cases people won't know exactly how much you got to stay, but that won't stop them from assuming you got something, and that something is something they are not getting.

In fact keeping the amount secret can actually make problems worse, by encouraging people to use their imagination to answer the question; then you end up with a situation where you actually got an extra $5K/year, but everyone you work with thinks you got an oil tanker full of Spanish doubloons and a stable full of ponies.

Re: When You Get a Job Counteroffer: Should You Stay or Should You Go?

#46
I accepted an counter offer at a situation where my manager had been wanting to promote me for 2 years. The worst part was that I had no idea why it was not happening. I was asking at every performance review about areas where I need to grow to get it and my mgr had no idea - he said that I performing at a more senior level in all areas, and that I should be promoted. I did get a nice raise, but not the title. Don't get me wrong here, the title wasn't that important, what bothered me was the totally dysfunctional communication between the management layers where I was left in a limbo where felt that promotions were apparently not based on merit, but something secret.

Limbo wasn't fun, so I was happy to get a +20% offer from a another company. However I ended up accepting the counter offer when I was certain that it was too late to offer me anything to stay. I got a honest (I hope) personal apology from my managers manager, the department head, who said that he had been the one deciding not to promote me, and that he now understands that he was not clearly communicating his expectations to my manager.

That was a bit over a year ago and while it might sound that the situation was beyond repair, I'm actually happy I ended up staying. It actually changed my managers manager behaviour to take a much more visible role in many other areas and start communicating more directly to us instead of just the layer in between.

Re: When You Get a Job Counteroffer: Should You Stay or Should You Go?

#47
post #30
post #9

I think that an important step is to pre-empt the counter-offer. When you even start to consider another opportunity, think about why you actually want to move to the new opportunity. Is it that you need more money? Is it that you want to work on a different kind of project? Is it that you need more stimulation? Then go to your employer, and without bringing up the other opportunity, see if they are willing to make t…

I don't think it's that easy. If you ask for what you want and are refused you are now in a worse position. This is why people don't do this. Even in situations where you won't be worse off people (esp. introverts) wouldn't normally ask for what they want. The company has already lost when the employee is contemplating whether they should go look for a new job. Any outcome of this, whether the employee moves around i…

From the point of view of the manager, I agree (you need to proactively make sure the people you want to keep are happy).

From the point of view of an employee, I disagree. If you are contemplating looking for a new job, then you are unhappy. If you are unhappy with your job, you should at least try talking to your manager. Either:

A: They want to keep you and are reasonable and capable of making the adjustments you desire

B: They don't want to keep you

C: They aren't reasonable

D: They are not capable of making the adjustments you desire

In the event of B they don't want you to be working there any more, so look for a better job. In the event of C or D, you probably don't want to be working there anymore, so look for a better job.

That makes it really easy to reject a potential counter-offer; if they won't give you what you need without you threatening to leave, you probably don't want to work there.

Re: When You Get a Job Counteroffer: Should You Stay or Should You Go?

#48

If it's a large organization - get out. If it's a small organization - stay if you actually like it. The difference is that small organizations understand people, the risks, the sacrifices, etc, because they're still human. Large organizations only care about their bottom line. They will hire your replacement, probably a junior level person, train him up, replace you, and then do the same thing to him years later whe…

Best answer.

Most of our jobs don't mean shit. It doesn't matter.

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