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Microsoft says it's prepared to hand over Skype users' data to Russia

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Re: Microsoft says it's prepared to hand over Skype users' data to Russia

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"if required by law." How's that different from any other company? Even "secure" companies like Fastmail and others comply if they receive a court order for information on specific users. Looks like an attempt to capitalize on the recent events by implicitly saying Microsoft will share everything about every user in bulk. What a surprise.

Is that supposed to make us feel better? There was a time when Skype actually was secure, before they changed it to allow "legal intercept", but even after they did that they still refused to admit that they allow governments to have access to people's conversations. I'll never forget reading in the damn New York Times a week before Snowden leaks came out about how secure Skype was for dissidents and journalists, and…

I think a reality check is in order, not?

There was NEVER a time Skype was secure for people going against law of any kind. Unless you were clueless, you could ALWAYS expect your data to be handed to the authorities in case an investigation was ongoing. This is how things work in the real world of companies, government and law.

I think we are confusing "mass surveillance" and "bulk access" (all without probable cause in NSA's case) with lawful information sharing in criminal cases. I don't support the former the least but the later is a requirement. Please try to imagine a world where law enforcement could work efficiently if companies could simply tell a judge to f* off and withhold data that would help in an investigation (a lawful, very specific case... not the ghost hunts that the US/NSA/CIA does).

People have lost perspective with the NSA scandals and want to throw the baby with the bathwater. This is short sighted.

Re: Microsoft says it's prepared to hand over Skype users' data to Russia

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post #2

"if required by law." How's that different from any other company? Even "secure" companies like Fastmail and others comply if they receive a court order for information on specific users. Looks like an attempt to capitalize on the recent events by implicitly saying Microsoft will share everything about every user in bulk. What a surprise.

Is that supposed to make us feel better? There was a time when Skype actually was secure, before they changed it to allow "legal intercept", but even after they did that they still refused to admit that they allow governments to have access to people's conversations. I'll never forget reading in the damn New York Times a week before Snowden leaks came out about how secure Skype was for dissidents and journalists, and…

It was never secure. Closed source and with no end-to-end encryption, so supernodes could always listen.

The supernode design isn't compatible with having lots of mobile devices, that's why it was changed. It's only marginally easier to intercept.

Re: Microsoft says it's prepared to hand over Skype users' data to Russia

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post #2

"if required by law." How's that different from any other company? Even "secure" companies like Fastmail and others comply if they receive a court order for information on specific users. Looks like an attempt to capitalize on the recent events by implicitly saying Microsoft will share everything about every user in bulk. What a surprise.

I don't mind the law, but they shouldn't be collecting data in the first place. No data - no problem.

Re: Microsoft says it's prepared to hand over Skype users' data to Russia

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post #2

"if required by law." How's that different from any other company? Even "secure" companies like Fastmail and others comply if they receive a court order for information on specific users. Looks like an attempt to capitalize on the recent events by implicitly saying Microsoft will share everything about every user in bulk. What a surprise.

I think this might be very effective tactic to make sure your data is distributed to government services.

Think about it: Everyone is yelling on top of their lungs that Microsoft is giving your data, as if only Microsoft is doing that.

Now your average Joe will think that he would be rather using other services, e.g. Google because he thinks that only Microsoft is giving away your data ergo Google does not.

I'm not even joking, I've heard number of times stuff like "I'm on Ubuntu and it's Linux, suck it NSA!" it's not even funny.

Re: Microsoft says it's prepared to hand over Skype users' data to Russia

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"if required by law." How's that different from any other company? Even "secure" companies like Fastmail and others comply if they receive a court order for information on specific users. Looks like an attempt to capitalize on the recent events by implicitly saying Microsoft will share everything about every user in bulk. What a surprise.

I think this might be very effective tactic to make sure your data is distributed to government services. Think about it: Everyone is yelling on top of their lungs that Microsoft is giving your data, as if only Microsoft is doing that. Now your average Joe will think that he would be rather using other services, e.g. Google because he thinks that only Microsoft is giving away your data ergo Google does not. I'm not e…

"I'm on Ubuntu and it's Linux, suck it NSA!" --- now my favorite quote.

Re: Microsoft says it's prepared to hand over Skype users' data to Russia

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Yes, where I reside unfortunately.

Why don't you move to a real corrupt & totalitarian country - say Russia - that will make you feel better about living in the UK quickly.

Good old "something out there is worse" excuse.

Re: Microsoft says it's prepared to hand over Skype users' data to Russia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, where I reside unfortunately.

Why don't you move to a real corrupt & totalitarian country - say Russia - that will make you feel better about living in the UK quickly.

America! Love it leave it!

Re: Microsoft says it's prepared to hand over Skype users' data to Russia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, where I reside unfortunately.

Why don't you move to a real corrupt & totalitarian country - say Russia - that will make you feel better about living in the UK quickly.

Why don't you move to a real corrupt & totalitarian country - say North Korea - that will make you feel better about living in Russia quickly.

Re: Microsoft says it's prepared to hand over Skype users' data to Russia

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post #2

"if required by law." How's that different from any other company? Even "secure" companies like Fastmail and others comply if they receive a court order for information on specific users. Looks like an attempt to capitalize on the recent events by implicitly saying Microsoft will share everything about every user in bulk. What a surprise.

"Even "secure" companies like Fastmail and others comply if they receive a court order for information on specific users."

Your quotes are appropriate. It is not secure if there is a man in the middle who can turn my mail over to the government, even when they are presented with a court order.

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