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Exploit Mitigation Techniques: an Update After 10 Years (by Theo) http://tech.yandex.com/events/ruBSD/2013/talks/103/
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OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
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Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
> why is moving an unacceptable answer It seems likely that they don't trust anyone else to have physical access to the machines for security reasons. Their threat model probably includes national governments.
A somewhat related note about branding. My first "real" job was in the mid-90's; I was the first technical hire at a small Chicago ISP (EnterAct) that grew into a relatively large ISP (when I left, we were default-free peered to several tier-1 providers and had more POPs than I can name). It was great, and the team that started it --- two Big-5 accounting firm programmers --- was inspiring, particularly when it came…
Useful info.
Fortunately for me, I never had a CSR interaction with them. I used them until they augured in.
wgl@mcs.com
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#143If you use OpenSSH... you benefit from OpenBSD's work, even if you're not an OpenBSD user.
SSH alone, and all the utilities that use it... have made my work/life SOOOOOO much easier. That may sound silly, but when you don't have to search for some 3rd-party utility because what you need is built-in... it makes life easier.
I'm donating.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
From Theo's comments on the mailing list: "On a regular basis, we find real and serious bugs which affect all platforms, but they are incidentally made visible on one of the platforms we run, following that they are fixed. It is a harsh reality which static and dynamic analysis tools have not yet resolved. " "Regarding shutting them down, there other social problems. Yes, we remove about 10 of the architectures. We'd…
which other BSD would that be? If the answer is "NetBSD", let's consider that the expenses in 2012 for the NetBSD foundation were $6k [0]. Either they don't support the architectures the same way or they are spending the money in a smarter way. [0] http://www.netbsd.org/foundation/reports/financial/2012.html
There's also bitrig, a fork of OpenBSD on not so friendly terms. OpenBSD lost a number of developers when that happened. They don't appear to currently support 88K, and aim to target current architectures, but I wouldn't be surprised if it'd be worth their while to support another architecture to accommodate a developer who would do all the work to maintain that platform, as well as contribute in other areas.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Read further into the thread -- specifically the messages from asshat Theo. He is absolutely opposed to anything like that.
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=138973312304511&w=2 "I really love how we keep getting advice. Anyone want to suggest we hold a bake sale?"
I think if you're openly soliciting donations under the premise that they're essential to keeping the project running at all, you can put up with the people you're trying to get money out of asking questions to ensure that the money you're asking for really is as needed as you say it is.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Competition is a good thing, so we should consolidate and have less competition That makes very little sense.
Then re-read my comment within the context of this discussion, which is OpenBSD being on the verge of bankruptcy. If I believed all the BSD forks had a chance to live long and prosper on their own I wouldn't be saying that, but right now it seems to me that none of them have any real long time chance to remain generic OS on par with Linux (except possibly FreeBSD but it's not even certain anymore). Linux just moves t…
Your comment doesn't make more sense from reading it more often. Saying "because I don't understand how the BSDs work or their development processes, I think they should stop existing to prevent them from having to stop existing" is still nonsensical, no matter how you slice it.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#147I wonder if this is a case of OS Darwinism. The fact that it seems to be hanging on by a thread shows most companies are using and contributing to Linux. I have never used OpenBSD so not sure what it overs over Linux as a Unix implementation?
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
OpenBSD supports a number of odd and unusual platforms and does builds on them. See http://www.openbsd.org/plat.html . Older hardware can both use a significant amount of electricity and require much more hand-holding than is possible. Virtualization and emulation are not acceptable substitutes because they claim that doing builds on e.g. VAX is one of the best ways to ensure that the code works on VAX as opposed to…
OpenBSD's main value is high security standards. - Is there a significant amount of people with high security standards and an interest in SGI workstation hardware? - What about people who have high security standards and Sharp Zaurus hardware? If these groups aren't as important, as say, ARM and x86 users, perhaps it could be worth dropping some of these platforms?
You appear not to realise that SGI hardware contains MIPS CPUs. A large amount of code is shared between these platforms:
http://www.openbsd.org/sgi.html http://www.openbsd.org/octeon.html http://www.openbsd.org/loongson.html
A mips32 port would also be very desirable for all those shitty little routers with their ancient Linux kernel, but sadly nobody is working on that at the moment.
So, should the network and firewall OS that many people claim OpenBSD is, slash its support for MIPS devices?
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#149What will happen to OpenSSH if OpenBSD can't keep the lights on?
It will find a new home that's not dying.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're asking for help and you have constraints, you better qualify those constraints in a way that builds confidence. The more transparency you have in your discussion, the more supportive people will be.
> The more transparency you have in your discussion, the more supportive people will be. I think that's total, obvious nonsense and if you need to be convinced, here's an exercise: consider how much money the average nonprofit would raise if people knew where all that money went.
The average nonprofit isn't worthy of the money they get so unless you are trying to say OpenBSD is not worthy of the money and the only way they can get it is to hide the details then I don't get what your point is.