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Secret State of North Korea [video]

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Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]

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This documentary is really good. It's impossible not to gawk like a tourist at the pathological outcomes of the command econconmy, the wretched poverty, and the Orwellian anti U.S. propaganda, for example posters depicting U.S. soldiers pulling out the teeth of children with pliers, and executing Korean civilians. The film is composed largely of real footage produced by dissenters. No matter how cynical you might be…

Watching 'Crossing the Line' right now. James Joseph Dresnok creeps me out. You are right about it weirding up my day. Christian Slater narrating feels surreal. It almost feels like a parody.

Worth watching. I have never seen anything like it.

Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]

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post #35

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I won't be able to watch this until the weekend but I'm curious why > ... all the merchandise on display is for display only. ?

The products on the shelves can't be bought, they're literally just there for show, as opposed to a normal store where you buy things...

Why?

Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]

#43
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Darn, now I really want to watch it lol! However, it's blocked in Canada :( It's kind of silly considering we actually contribute to PBS (according to PBS Seattle, we make up a 3rd of their contributions).

I'm from Australia, but couldn't resist not seeing this. I used a free US VPN to watch it ;)

Which one?

Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]

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post #11

This documentary is really good. It's impossible not to gawk like a tourist at the pathological outcomes of the command econconmy, the wretched poverty, and the Orwellian anti U.S. propaganda, for example posters depicting U.S. soldiers pulling out the teeth of children with pliers, and executing Korean civilians. The film is composed largely of real footage produced by dissenters. No matter how cynical you might be…

Calling the posters propaganda would be true before 2001, but today I would not call it that. They simply represent a simplification of how an NK conflict with the U.S. army would look like.

For example, U.S. Soldiers don't use pliers for torture. They chain civilians to prison ceilings instead and beat them to death. Alternative they use simulated executions, rape, or sodomized civilians like in Abu Ghraib.

The posters about U.S. soldier executing Korean civilians is also a bit off. Using guns to terrorize a population is slow and ineffective, as a 24/7 aerial presence that can at any point send a explosive missile (like onto a wedding) will have better effected on the population.

Not that it takes anything away from the message the documentary gives. Seeing how bad NK has become is important, as most people seem to think that all that horribleness went away after ww2/cold world.

Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]

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It's a good thing we are on the good side of the fence then. Ah, Freedom.

Being in the United States, I get the same treatment when I want to watch bbc programs (blocked for not being in the UK). It's understandable, since they're supported by taxpayer money, but it would be nice if there was a way to pay for it if you don't live within the country. I wish both PBS and the bbc would jump into the 21st century and give those outside of each respective country an option to purchase a subscri…

You're not blocked for not being in the UK, you are blocked for being in the US. And the UK is blocked too (well, it depends on which BBC channel you are talking about).

Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The products on the shelves can't be bought, they're literally just there for show, as opposed to a normal store where you buy things...

Why?

I presume they're on display to give the appearance of easy availability of a wide range of products (the store is apparently featured on TV programs), but not for sale because there is in fact no availability due to trade restrictions.

Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]

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If you are interested in North Korea, read The Orphan Master's Son. Fiction, but based on true stories. Won the 2013 Pulitzer Prize for fiction. (I've heard the audiobook is excellent, but the book is quite graphic, so the audio could be a little "intense." I didn't risk it.)

Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]

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All they need are data-phones and sims. Soon they will have the ability to communicate with less risk and in "town square" web venues like twitter and forums. I think it's a hard counter to the situation there. Collapse in under 5 years.

Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]

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So far the most interesting point they have made is that these guys are smuggling in foreign media/tv and people are consuming it. The pitch is that the latest box office hits (sky fall 007 was mentioned) are the best way to influence N Korean culture. I guess I was surprised by this, but it does make more sense than trying to give them hard truth, which they would more likely reject due to their own cognitive disson…

People in North Korea are probably well aware about the hard truth. And also, in my opinion, it's very difficunt to create a good foreign made documentary/educational movie, which is not a propaganda itself, and is not insulting or misinformative in some way (even unintentionally).

So, it makes sense to simply share the good things the North Koreans don't have access to. It's a small improvent to their life, but it's an improvement, and it makes them happier. One of the defectors said that she never smiled in NK. They should live better, that's the objective, I think. And the persuasive power of such seemingly meaningless things is very high, actually.

Re: Secret State of North Korea [video]

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There's some amazing footage in this; at one point, someone with a hidden camera visits a Potemkin department store in Pyongyang and tries to buy a dress, and then some beer, only to be told that all the merchandise on display is for display only.

In 1989 Anthony Daniels, aka Theodore Dalrymple, went to one of these department stores and describes how even the shoppers in the store were fake -- here's an excerpt (more at the link [1]):

It didn’t take long to discover that this was no ordinary department store. It was filled with thousands of people, going up and down the escalators, standing at the corners, going in and out of the front entrance in a constant stream both ways – yet nothing was being bought or sold. I checked this by standing at the entrance for half an hour. The people coming out were carrying no more than the people entering. Their shopping bags contained as much, or as little, when they left as when they entered. In some cases, I recognised people coming out as those who had gone in a few minutes before, only to see them re-entering the store almost immediately. And I watched a hardware counter for fifteen minutes. There were perhaps twenty people standing at it; there were two assistants behind the counter, but they paid no attention to the ‘customers’. The latter and the assistants stared past each other in a straight line, neither moving nor speaking.

...snip...

I also followed a few people around at random, as discreetly as I could. Some were occupied in ceaselessly going up and down the escalators; others wandered from counter to counter, spending a few minutes at each before moving on. They did not inspect the merchandise; they moved as listlessly as illiterates might, condemned to spend the day among the shelves of a library. I did not know whether to laugh or explode with anger or weep. But I knew I was seeing one of the most extraordinary sights of the twentieth century.

[1] http://www.skepticaldoctor.com/2010/01/15/classic-dalrymple-...

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