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Re: VC Pitches in a Year or Two

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really sure what distinction you're trying to create with the term "telecommunications service provider" versus "telecommunications provider" and "information service." The term "telecommunications service provider" doesn't appear at all in the D.C. Circuit's opinion. Moreover, the phrase "common carrier" is more or less coextensive with Title II of the Telecommunications Act of 1934, which creates a heavy re…

You write about these two regimes (telephony and cable/internet) as if their separate existence is inviolate. In today's world, where voice is often just another application running on top of IP, the existence of two regimes seems backwards, enshrining a century-old technology (POTS) that already starting to disappear. If we as a society don't want to impose a requirement that rural communities be connected to the na…

> A "universal service" policy that ignores the fact that TCP/IP-based broadband Internet has replaced telephony as the essential communication technology is just a farce.

It is also not an accurate description of the status quo: the grandparent post talks a lot about the 1996 Telecommunications Act and its supposed foundations, but doesn't understand:

1) The distinction between "telecommunication services" and "information services" that controls where common carrier regulation can be applied, from that Act, or

2) The fact that the 1996 Telecommunications Act eliminated the "separate buckets" treatment of phone and other services for universal service, promoting universal service for access to "advanced telecommunication and information services" not just telephone service.

3) The fact that reforms to the regulations of the Universal Service Fund following and based on the 1996 Telecommunications Act mean that it is now used not just for telephone but also broadband access, demonstrating that -- whether or note ISPs are defined as "telecommunications service" providers subject to common carrier regulations and whether or not open internet / net neutrality rules are adopted -- broadband is already moving substantively into the same "bucket" as telephone service.

Re: VC Pitches in a Year or Two

#92
post #45

This is the best possible thing that could happen. Perhaps we'd see startups aimed at building out solar capacity, grid-scale storage solutions, electricity-to-fuels solutions, solar-powered airships, high-efficiency wind-steam hybrid shipping, high-efficiency retrofits to existing building stock, and management or treatment for TDR-TB, rather than an endless stream of privacy-invading "social" surveilices, games, an…

Most of the startup community is aimed towards web-centric ideas for obvious reasons -- the gateway to entry is incredibly low. This doesn't mesh well with hardware, and only puts more reliance upon VC's.

Most of the startup community is aimed towards web-centric ideas for obvious reasons

Yes, and that's pretty much part of the problem.

I've commented before on how Kleiner Perkins' failure in cleantech is really sobering:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6997397

Actually, there was a whole post on the topic I seam to have missed "The Rent-Seeking Economy"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5548730

Source article: "Great Problems: The Rent-seeking Economy" http://intellectual-detox.com/2013/04/14/rent-seeking-econom... (Devin Finbarr)

I see financialization, increasing advertising focus (much of which is supported by ... wait for it ... the FIRE industries[1], and "software eats everything", all as elements of catabolic collapse[2]. They're extracting financial value from the economy and transferring that financial wealth, which changes who holds real physical wealth, but doesn't much increase it.

Finbarr's blog piece explores this in much greater detail.

The focus of Silicon Valley over the past decade and more on ephemera and trivialities is very much part of the problem. The fact that the only remunerative opportunities for talent are in the FIRE and social / advertising / gaming industries is not a good thing. And the fact that even VC with long track records of success in technological application fail when trying to operate in the Greentech / alternative space is should be read as exceptionally cautionary.

Yes, there's good news out there. Elon Musk is doing fascinating things with Tesla. Solar is absolutely exploding -- in the past two years, solar generation in the US hasn't merely increased, hasn't doubled, but is up seven times[3]. That's a rate of growth which, if sustained, would have solar being half of all electric generation within a decade. I'm skeptical that the rate of growth can continue, but even if it moderates significantly, doubling times of a year or two can grow a small base hugely, and we need all the help here we can get.

But I really wish that the hacker community would pull its collective head out of its collective ass on occasion and look around at what problems should be solved. And a choking off of the backbone for new trivial ventures really could be a powerful refocusing mechanism, all snark aside.

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Notes:

1. "What Are The 20 Most Expensive Keyword Categories In Google AdWords?" http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/18/most-expensive-google-adwor...

2. "How Civilizations Fall: A Theory of Catabolic Collapse" http://www.indiana.edu/~workshop/colloquia/materials/papers/...

3. EIA: "Table 7.2a Electricity Net Generation: Total (All Sectors)" http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec7_5.pdf

Re: VC Pitches in a Year or Two

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You write about these two regimes (telephony and cable/internet) as if their separate existence is inviolate. In today's world, where voice is often just another application running on top of IP, the existence of two regimes seems backwards, enshrining a century-old technology (POTS) that already starting to disappear. If we as a society don't want to impose a requirement that rural communities be connected to the na…

> A "universal service" policy that ignores the fact that TCP/IP-based broadband Internet has replaced telephony as the essential communication technology is just a farce. It is also not an accurate description of the status quo : the grandparent post talks a lot about the 1996 Telecommunications Act and its supposed foundations, but doesn't understand: 1) The distinction between "telecommunication services" and "inf…

I was using USF as an example of the onerous, misguided sort of program that is imposed on telecommunication service providers regulated under Title II. I wasn't trying to imply that only telecommunication service providers can be subject to USF fees (frankly, I was trying to punt on explaining the distinction because in practice voice providers are subject to USF fees but broadband providers are not subject to those fees). The fact that USF money is now being used for broadband doesn't change the fact that internet service is not subject to the tax. Moreover, while classification as an information provider doesn't prevent internet providers from being subject to USF fees, classification as telecommunications providers would pave the way for them to be taxed.

Re: VC Pitches in a Year or Two

#94
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really sure what distinction you're trying to create with the term "telecommunications service provider" versus "telecommunications provider" and "information service." The term "telecommunications service provider" doesn't appear at all in the D.C. Circuit's opinion. Moreover, the phrase "common carrier" is more or less coextensive with Title II of the Telecommunications Act of 1934, which creates a heavy re…

You write about these two regimes (telephony and cable/internet) as if their separate existence is inviolate. In today's world, where voice is often just another application running on top of IP, the existence of two regimes seems backwards, enshrining a century-old technology (POTS) that already starting to disappear. If we as a society don't want to impose a requirement that rural communities be connected to the na…

While the regimes aren't inviolate, Congressional action would probably be required to change the status quo. Besides that, the fact that you can reimagine the legal rules doesn't change the philosophical and political positions that led to the existing status quo. It's a mistake to think that the drafters of the 1996 telecom act didn't understand what they were doing. They made a conscious effort to try and deregulate the industry while conceding to keep much of the existing regime applicable to voice service.

All this could be changed if you let Congress have another shot at the classifications, but you really don't want that. The forces that made telephone regulation the morass that it is will conspire to turn internet regulation into a morass as well. It sounds good to say that rural areas should have access to internet service, but opening that can of worms is a disaster in the making.

Infrastructure regulation in the U.S. is a disaster because of the disproportionate power of rural voters. It's not efficient to build infrastructure to rural and exurban areas, but rural votes, particularly in the Senate, hold infrastructure projects hostage unless inefficient infrastructure is built in those areas. That's why Amtrak is obligated to run a nationwide network when it should just run a train line from DC to Boston. Indeed, the desire to provide universal service is responsible for much of the dysfunctional aspects of the telecom industry to begin with. Many cable providers are monopolies because municipalities granted monopoly status as a concession for building service broadly instead of just to the profitable locations.

Look at the aspects of the telecom industry that are actually getting people excited. T-Mobile's new LTE network, for example. The reason it works is because T-Mobile avoids a whole bunch of capital construction by only focusing on urban areas. Cities get LTE, and everyone else gets HSPA or 2G. Or look at Google's fiber service: hitting major urban areas and avoiding anywhere that doesn't yield a lot of subscribers per mile of fiber. That's the right way forward--that's how we get internet speeds in the U.S. that match countries in Asia and Europe that are much more heavily urbanized. Treating internet service the way we treat other public infrastructure will destroy that.

Re: VC Pitches in a Year or Two

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This is already reality in some countries. Like India for instance. 1st Indian entrepreneur: I plan to launch a search engine that understands Indian languages and contexts better than Google. VC: Well since Google has already paid telcos like Airtel ( http://www.airtel.in/free-zone/ ) so their searches and even some results don't use up any of the data plan, we are passing. 2nd Indian entrepreneur: I have an idea fo…

Enterpreneur: I plan to launch an encyclopedia that people can edit, and it's better than Wikipedia VC: Well, since Wikimedia Foundation has already convinces telcos to provide their data for free ( http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships ), we are passing. Now wait a goddamn minute. This doesn't make any sense. The alternative is even worse: no free access to Wikipedia. Is this what you're arguing fo…

I'd rather have equitable access to everyone. Why should my traffic to use Wikipedia be supplied by taxing the people reading Fox News?

Re: VC Pitches in a Year or Two

#96
post #78

While I agree with his premise, there are already industries that used to be startup focused where there is a gatekeeper. E-commerce has Amazon, advertising has Google (and possibly Facebook), which already destroy new startups before they really get started through this same VC mindset. It seems to me that the balance of power is just moving up the line a bit to industries where VC's have little to no power to influ…

In what way(s) is Amazon a "gatekeeper" to e-commerce?

Maybe I didn't word it properly. It is in the sense that VC's say, well Amazon could do that too, we'll have to pass. They are more of a gate that does not open.

Re: VC Pitches in a Year or Two

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I am watching the reactions of non-technical people after they hear how this latest Net Non-Neutrality development affects them. Some are saying "Google, Apple, and the other big guys will step in for us". Others reply that when gas prices jumped to $3 everyone cried out and legislators started shuffling, yet we are now paying $4 and being thankful. Unless the outcry gets bigger this is going to pass through the cracks.

Do any of the big tech companies really have an interest in stopping this development? They could afford to buy themselves an "unrestricted by cap" deal with internet distributors and suffocate every other potential competitor?

Re: VC Pitches in a Year or Two

#98
post #56
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enterpreneur: I plan to launch an encyclopedia that people can edit, and it's better than Wikipedia VC: Well, since Wikimedia Foundation has already convinces telcos to provide their data for free ( http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships ), we are passing. Now wait a goddamn minute. This doesn't make any sense. The alternative is even worse: no free access to Wikipedia. Is this what you're arguing fo…

Yes. I'd rather have "better than Wikipedia" than "Wikipedia for free." If browsing Wikipedia is too expensive, let's work on lowering data rates for all content, rather than giving Wikipedia special privileges.

That's been a view of some Wikipedians as well. The Wikipedia Zero program is generally popular, but has still caused some worry. One reason is that Wikipedia is not supposed to be only the website, but a free-as-in-freedom encyclopedia project that can be improved, reused, remixed, adapted, etc. Sort of how OpenStreetMap is not just the Mapnik renderer on openstreetmap.org, but the map data that can be applied to many uses. But when you introduce a data-price differential between the "canonical" and third-party hosts, it strengthens the centralizing tendencies that Wikipedia=wikipedia.org or OSM=osm.org, entrenching them as the correct way to access the data, and discouraging innovation in third-party uses of the data.

Re: VC Pitches in a Year or Two

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enterpreneur: I plan to launch an encyclopedia that people can edit, and it's better than Wikipedia VC: Well, since Wikimedia Foundation has already convinces telcos to provide their data for free ( http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships ), we are passing. Now wait a goddamn minute. This doesn't make any sense. The alternative is even worse: no free access to Wikipedia. Is this what you're arguing fo…

Yes. I'd rather have "better than Wikipedia" than "Wikipedia for free." If browsing Wikipedia is too expensive, let's work on lowering data rates for all content, rather than giving Wikipedia special privileges.

Yeah, although Wikipedia Zero does have real benefits, it is a bit problematic. I have wondered if a Creative Commons Zero policy might be better.

I'm not for DRM, but if we have to have licensing baked into the web, let's use it for good.

Re: VC Pitches in a Year or Two

#100
post #26

So someone should plan to launch a VPN service that will pay telcos so its traffic doesn't use any of its customers' data plans. Configure the mobile device to route all data via the VPN, encrypted. It'll charge its customers for access to unlimited apps, sites and streams without incurring a data plan hit.

Myself and some guys with a telecoms background spoke to various telcos about that ~2 years ago. Feedback was that they were already so over stretched with data usage they weren't going to embark on any projects likely to increase it until there had been a lot of network upgrades. May have changed since then though.

I think the biggest risk in doing this for a VPN service is that the usage is impracticable given its nature and secrecy.

With services like Facebook, Twitter, etc, the telcos know more or less what they can expect in average data usage from users (and plan/charge accordingly).

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