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This documentary is really good. It's impossible not to gawk like a tourist at the pathological outcomes of the command econconmy, the wretched poverty, and the Orwellian anti U.S. propaganda, for example posters depicting U.S. soldiers pulling out the teeth of children with pliers, and executing Korean civilians. The film is composed largely of real footage produced by dissenters. No matter how cynical you might be of the demonization of "rouge states" by U.S. media, I promise that you will moved by this very convincing film.

I think Frontline is one of the last investigative journalism shows with real integrity that is left; did you see that embarrassing puff piece a few weeks ago where 60 Minutes licked the NSA's asshole for an hour?

The big footage of the Korean landscape is stunningly beautiful, and reminds me of Vladivastock. Must watch.

Also, if you want to learn more about North Korea (at least from a quasi-American perspective), please go watch "Crossing the Line" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_the_Line_%282006_film%...) a film about a U.S. Army soldier who defected to N. Korea, which was still on Netfilx last time I checked. It will enlighten you, and also weird up your day :)

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#13
So far the most interesting point they have made is that these guys are smuggling in foreign media/tv and people are consuming it. The pitch is that the latest box office hits (sky fall 007 was mentioned) are the best way to influence N Korean culture. I guess I was surprised by this, but it does make more sense than trying to give them hard truth, which they would more likely reject due to their own cognitive dissonance.

This makes me wonder how our own media is manipulated to influence political movements?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I noticed also that almost everything they showed was non-perishable goods. The smuggled footage in this is fantastic and remarkable. The interviews with the North Koreans in the South were also quite interesting.

Darn, now I really want to watch it lol! However, it's blocked in Canada :( It's kind of silly considering we actually contribute to PBS (according to PBS Seattle, we make up a 3rd of their contributions).

Try using Hola Unblocker, a handy Chrome/Firefox extension that allows you to get around regional blocks

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post #13

So far the most interesting point they have made is that these guys are smuggling in foreign media/tv and people are consuming it. The pitch is that the latest box office hits (sky fall 007 was mentioned) are the best way to influence N Korean culture. I guess I was surprised by this, but it does make more sense than trying to give them hard truth, which they would more likely reject due to their own cognitive disson…

> This makes me wonder how our own media is manipulated to influence political movements?

Something I've found very interesting is watching foreign news media and what they report on and some of the externals that surround that reporting...then reversing those observations to my own country's media. It's remarkable how taking that outsider's viewpoint and turning it towards your own native media can help you to understand where they're manipulative or not quite truthful with things.

In my case, my wife is from South Korea and I get constant exposure to the news (important and trivial) about her native country. There's lots of, to me, obvious political influence in South Korean news. It took a few years, but eventually I was able to convince my wife that this was happening. Of course she had some inkling that it was happening, but the various phenomenon I was pointing out to here had completely escaped her notice.

One of the most common in her country is to hide embarrassing political issues with wall to wall coverage of a recent scandal that was just "discovered" about some top-tier entertainer: it's usually a sex scandal, but it could be tax evasion or gambling issues. Those entertainers then "retire" or disappear for a couple years and inevitably stage a come back. The public's attention span is so short that the political issue is quickly forgotten while the poor singer or actor or whatever is drug through the press for a few weeks. It's very rare that a political issue will stay front and center over an inconsequential starlet's sex video.

Over the years I've come to appreciate the very deep relationship the government there has with the major production companies and broadcast networks. It's changing slowly, independent media is starting to spring up on cable networks and podcasts and such, but the overall homogeneity of South Korean pop culture means that most people will still just go to their favorite old media sources for most things anyways. The good news is that they aren't really spreading lies, just choosing to suddenly report at this very moment about something that doesn't matter at all when something that does matter is being ignored -- so they can still say they have a free press and all that.

Recent protests and firings at some of the major broadcasting companies have shown that this isn't nearly as true though.

Turning back on my country's media and I see similar tactics used. I think we're a bit more subtle about it, it's not quite the clockwork mechanism that I see in South Korea, but I think there's always some agenda to what gets covered and when. I think the government influence on major media producers here is just as deep, think about the flood of pure propaganda action movies that came out during Reagan. They're hopelessly obvious these days, but I don't remember them being such obvious propaganda back then.

These days, my wife and I play this game now when some outrageous, but largely inconsequential, news start getting played up endlessly in our respective countries. The game is called "what's really going on?" And we remind each other with this question that the game has started and we'll spend the next hour or so digging into the internet to try and figure out what embarrassing political situation is being glossed over so we can see an actress trip on stage for the 800th time, or some singer spectacularly flame out in public.

I can think of no better example of this in action then this

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/19insert-word-here-differ...

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I watched this last night and thought it was really good - but the entire time I couldn't help but think about this propaganda video put out by North Korea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoQOQHQ8oA

That's a hoax. You didn't start wondering when they said "there are no birds except these ones, which will be eaten on Tuesday; they are yummy"?

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I watched this last night and thought it was really good - but the entire time I couldn't help but think about this propaganda video put out by North Korea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoQOQHQ8oA

That's a hoax. You didn't start wondering when they said "there are no birds except these ones, which will be eaten on Tuesday; they are yummy"?

Yes, the interpreter says that and I found it strange. I don't speak Korean so I don't know if that's what the narrator said or meant (you can hear her in the background). How do you know this is a hoax and not real propaganda out of North Korea?

Edit: You're correct. It was a hoax.

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