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Re: MacBook Pro, Thousands of Colors

#41
post #8

Alternate headline choice: Man with ability to research decides not to and is disappointed in purchase but offered full refund

I could've written the letter myself in the time it took to read that. I say write the letter and address it to Steve Jobs. See what happens. It's worth a shot.

I agree. I've written to SJ twice and gotten follow up phone calls from the right people within Apple both times.

Re: MacBook Pro, Thousands of Colors

#42
post #6

Surprising hardware spec choice given the the market penetration Apple has in the design profession.

Is there an output device other than a "pro" monitor with the same range? If the consumers of your work don't have 8 bit displays, how will they know the difference?

It sounds like he was happy with it until he took it apart. If you only discover it's not good enough after checking the part number, I think maybe it is good enough.

Anyway, is there a picture somewhere I can download that will show me how awful my shitty 6 bit screen is? I've been skeptical of "I can see/hear more pixels/sin waves than you" before, but I've also seen compelling proof for some of it.

PS: Why is it 6 and 8 bit, not 18 and 24? It makes me think you're a retard for thinking 8 bits is enough for 16 million colors, but that seems to be how everyone labels it.

Re: MacBook Pro, Thousands of Colors

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. A 6 bit display in 2009 is inexcusible; I had to check the date of the article because I wasn't sure it had been written this millenium

If you've been paying attention you would have noticed that the tech goes backwards in the world of LCDs: as time goes on, high-quality LCDs are being displaced by 6-bit junk-panels not only in laptops (there isn't a single one 8-bit LCD laptop available in US right now) but even in desktops as well: 20" iMacs are 6-bit too. Viewing angles and contrast ratios are shrinking as well, hence the disgusting proliferation…

"...there isn't a single one 8-bit LCD laptop available in US right now..."

Yes, there is. The HP Elitebook 8730W can be ordered with the a DreamColor 8-bit IPS (or PVA not sure...) LCD panel. And Lenovo used to ship the T-series line with IPS panels. I think the W700 can also be ordered with a IPS WUXGA panel.

Re: MacBook Pro, Thousands of Colors

#44
post #15

Interesting. The Apple MacBook Pro website makes no distinction between the models as to the color support. They all say "millions of colors", and as someone who doesn't deal with colors for a living I would expect them to have identical support.

Technically, a 6-bit display can display all of the same colors that an 8-bit display can. What it can't do is display all of them at the same time.

Edit: Why all the drive-by downvoting? This is true to the best of my knowledge.

Re: MacBook Pro, Thousands of Colors

#45

I am anxious to see a class action lawsuit against hardware manufacturers claiming "millions of colors" on 6-bit panels. One doesn't need to be a designer/photographer to tell two screens apart: a true 8-bit panel with 16.7M output and dithered 6-bit junk. And don't get me started on lack of standardization for contrast ratios and viewing angles. Once consumers will see real "262K colors" stickers on their laptops, w…

Some people tried to get a class-action going back in '07, I don't think it panned out though. http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2007/05/lawsuit-over-mac-b...

Re: MacBook Pro, Thousands of Colors

#46
Regardless of what you think of the dude writing it, saying "millions of colors" is false advertising if it's done by dithering. Why stop at millions, why not advertise billions or trillions of colors? (Though I guess it's limited by the number of pixels on the screen.)

I had no idea about this, and that's the most dishonest piece of marketing from a reputable company I've heard in a long time.

Re: MacBook Pro, Thousands of Colors

#47

This article seems to indicate the exact opposite; that the new Pro displays (including the 13") have markedly improved colour accuracy. "Colour accuracy in the three MacBook Pro displays is as right as we've seen in a laptop display, equal to or better than some midrange desktop displays and not that far off the level of colour correctness found in a premium desktop display." http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_p…

Color accuracy isn't so much color resolution. That's like the difference between precision and accuracy, you can have something accurate with poor precision, and vice versa.

Re: MacBook Pro, Thousands of Colors

#48
post #33

Does anyone know the price difference between 6-Bit and 8-Bit display panels? I can't really find any info on it. I've always thought, by comparison, that Macbook displays looked fantastic compared to the HP PC laptops I'm used to using at work. Just as good as the Samsung displays I use on my desktop. I do believe Apple still has their 30 day no questions asked, no restocking fee, return policy though so there's tha…

The main difference is with the technology used in the panel -- cheaper panels (TN panels) generally only use 6 bits for each colour element of the display (Red, Green and Blue), meaning that it is capable of producing a much more limited range of colours (the thousands indicated by the article).

For playback purposes (DVDs, games, etc), most consumers won't notice the difference. For content creation, though, 6-bit panels are a disaster. I've seen cheap panels from Dell that simply could not display colours in the light blue or light yellow range correctly, and light greys not at all.

Wikipedia has an excellent article about the different types of LCD panels available, but the takeaway is basically "you get what you pay for."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lcd_monitor

Re: MacBook Pro, Thousands of Colors

#49
post #23

Wait a second this guy is an icon/ui designer .... Which means he works on computer design so to be realistic most of his customers do not have "millions of colors". He has a 30 inch cinema display that he can now use for designing and checking colors with the replacement cable but he still would rather rant and rave and call support hours on end rather than just replace the laptop.

Professionals in any creative industry need to be able to see or hear exactly what they are actually creating. This is why audio monitors for recording studios cost a lot, and don't "sound as good" to the untrained ear. Accuracy is what you are paying for. If it is inaccurate in any one direction, the potential for problems during reproduction on client machines (which could be inaccurate in the other direction; doub…

I don't buy the accuracy argument for a second. By working only on the most expensive, rarified equipment, the only thing you're ensuring is that your own experience will be drastically different from 99.9% of end users.

Imagine if the guy responsible for developing new recipes for McDonalds insists that his "creative work" only be done with organic Niman ranch beef.

Re: MacBook Pro, Thousands of Colors

#50
post #6

Surprising hardware spec choice given the the market penetration Apple has in the design profession.

Indeed. A 6 bit display in 2009 is inexcusible; I had to check the date of the article because I wasn't sure it had been written this millenium

Can the human eye seriously tell the difference? I'd be interested in some stats...
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