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So, your current living quarters has hardly any modern entertainment to speak of? Good thing libraries still exist.
I can garantee you i don't miss blueray as i did not miss laser disc. Also it's much more convenient that my camera and phones use sd cards instead of memory sick.. You're point?
Requirements for DRM in HTML are confidential
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>> Do they? Yes, yes they do. Take a look at the proceeds from those industries and tell me people are not handing over money for said content. >> So not happily then... Ah, I see the problem. When I said happily I meant this definition: "felicitously; aptly; appropriately". Meaning they pay because that's what they are supposed to do. My bad. What they want and what they do are two different things. You see, they do…
>> Stupid people don't make that kind of money and do the things they do. Very few people are intelligent in all areas, these people are clearly shortsighted and stupid in many. I'm not going to address the rest of your comment, needless to say I disagree with pretty much everything you have to say on the topic, and I think that you set up and knock down a variety of convenient straw men on your response there.
But if you want to skip the rest of the response by claiming straw men without defending your claim then that's fine. Especially since you did it yourself with your "very few people are intelligent in all areas" comment. I was directly responding to your statements so I fail to see how the straw man fallacy applies. I did not present a distorted version of your position, I directly responded to it. But, who cares, it's only a discussion between strangers on the Internet. We're not creating world peace here.
Re: Requirements for DRM in HTML are confidential
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I'm still waiting for the explanation of how it actually causes harm. Most of what you describe is not exactly harmful and is easily dealt with. What's to stop someone from creating their own web client that doesn't implement that part of the standard? Where's it written that we have to follow every bit of the standard as it is written? Who gave this select group of people that much power over the open web? Personall…
So, to paraphrase, you think there will be no harm because the W3C isn't doing anything useful as things stand?
I keep pointing out that people are claiming that this is harmful in some personal way. I keep asking how. The best I've seen is that it creates harm to the standards, which is more about causing harm to the people who control the standards. This decision directly harms the standards body itself, it does not harm the open web. Corrupting the standards with bad decisions hurts the reputation of the standards body, which will eventually importance in the scheme of things. The open web will just move on to something else. The reason I say that is because if the web is truly open, it is free to ignore the "standards" it doesn't like. Meaning, the people who use it can choose to not participate. It's a standard because everyone agrees to use it together. If the people using the open web decide they don't like a browser that implements DRM they don't agree with, then they have the option to choose a browser that doesn't implement the DRM. If there isn't such a browser, the open web allows someone to create and share it with the masses.
If this decision actually causes harm to the open web, then it's not truly open because that implies no one can get around the decisions made by this select group of people. If that's the case, then the web doesn't sound very open as it stands today.
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Well, I was talking mostly about food. But if I use my culture as a basis for a song that I write and I wish to sell it to make money, then you're dang right I see it as stealing if someone takes it without my permission. If an artist wants to share it openly, then that's excellent. But if the artist wishes to make money from their effort why is it your "right" to demand otherwise? It's not about being business-minde…
Because mostly it's not the artists who want to lock it up, and it's not the artists that stand to gain most from locking it up, it's the suits.
An artist who works alone deserves your money but an artist who agrees to work with a third-party does not? Because the third-party might get a piece of the pie dictated by the contract the artist agreed to? That's an extremely weak defense of not paying for content.
Are book stores okay? Because I'm sure they make money from the books they sell that they didn't personally write. Well, that's not an exact comparison but I hope you get my point.
I have to say, I am astounded at the level of entitlement people seem to have when it comes to consuming content others worked to create. I want it, therefore it should be mine is the mantra of this type of thinking.
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How do they prevent you from participating? Do they stop you at the doors of Disney World? Can you not watch Disney movies whenever you go to the theater? Oh, that's right, you just want it for free. Although, I agree with you on the copyright laws, they shouldn't be extended like they have been. But that's an issue to complain to the people who write the laws, not the content providers who take advantage of them.
> But that's an issue to complain to the people who write the laws, not the content providers who take advantage of them. that works when the law makers are ethical and neutral. When the "content providers" get in bed with law makers to create laws favourable to themselves, then what? I want to participate in culture by creating a derivative work based on the disney micky mouse figure. But i m disallowed, because of…
Your complaint is with the law, it has nothing to do with the content providers. You say but the content providers influence the law with money. In that case your complaint is with the system that writes the law. Your ire is misdirected and likely will cause nothing to change.
Of course, there's civil disobedience to consider. It would be an interesting way to combat the laws at hand but I'm not sure how to go about that in terms of media consumption. I suppose if enough people did it at the same time.
But you fall into the common problems with these type of discussion; you act as if your choices are limited. For instance, with piracy it's usually "they don't make it easy and/or cheap enough for me to buy so therefore I must steal it" which is a self-limiting range of options. It totally ignores several options such as simply not consuming the content in question and move on to something else. You present only one option in your desire to create, a derivative work based off of another's content. That's not your only option in this case.
Finally, this idea that this stuff is a part of our culture and we're locked out of it. I would say if we're locked out of it so tightly that we can't enjoy it then I wouldn't call it part of our culture. But this culture defense is new to me in these terms, it's an interesting idea. It will ultimately fail in the end but an interesting defense nonetheless.
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By the rest of us I'm guessing a small number of people who have high ideals outside of reality? Your definition almost literally means no one has ownership over anything when it is your "right" to take it as you please. How shall we define the act of taking property without due compensation that the owner of said property expects?
You seem to be acting intentionally dense. Surely you understand that the difference being discussed here pertains specifically to duplicable content, where the property involved is "intellectual property" and much more open to alternative interpretations than things like land or food.
You simply want to redefine things so you can apply your alternative interpretation of ownership in a way that allows you to obtain someone's property without compensating them for it. You feel entitled to someone's work because it's easy to duplicate it. It could take an artist weeks or months to create their work and you feel they deserve nothing because you can copy it in seconds. That's a sad justification.
Whether the fact it can be easily duplicated is irrelevant. Someone created that work with their time that they can't get back. They spent a moment of their life away from other things creating this that they can't get back. They spent resources (not necessarily money) creating this that they can't get back. None of that can be duplicated in seconds. If they wish to be paid for granting you access to that work then they should be compensated as they wish. If you don't agree with the price of admission then you don't get access. Thinking otherwise is admitting you feel you are entitled to it because you simply want it and the original creator can suck it. You are saying the creator's time and effort is worth nothing.
I simply cannot agree with that way of thinking.
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>> A third-party solution that an individual can decline to install and not participate. A third party solution that they can't get hold of because the 'official' one only runs on windows and intel, and the ps4.
So? If they don't provide the content you wish to see in a way that's convenient for you but is convenient for the mass of their market I fail to see the problem. If you want to see the content bad enough then you accept the requirements. Otherwise, it says more for you to not participate by not giving money. As more people do this, things will change.
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You are NEVER forced to steal things that aren't essential to survival. Starving on the street and steal a loaf a bread, that's one thing. Don't want to participate in many varied ways of listen to music for free legally and so choosing to steal the next big album you want to hear, not ok, ever.
To play devils advocate, I'm not sure why you think the very poor should be concerned about respecting copyright law.
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There is no 'Security through obscurity'. At best, you will have the illusion of security, wich is worse than no security at all.
This seems a bit like saying that there is no such thing as debugging because applications still have bugs afterward. I agree with the overall thrust that the security through obscurity is unreliable, but it is something, and it has even been effective to a limited degree on many occasions. (For example, many video game companies have employed defeatable security-through-obscurity successfully, because they only need…
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To play devils advocate, I'm not sure why you think the very poor should be concerned about respecting copyright law.
Because being poor doesn't give you the right to take from others to satisfy your own entertainment desires. I think Jean Valjean wouldn't have been quite the sympathetic character if he stole a lute instead of a loaf of bread ;)