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N.S.A. Devises Radio Pathway Into Computers

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#91

I do understand that it is now the status quo to disavow everything the NSA is, but foreign intelligence gathering is their mission and releasing these details simply doesn't help the cause of fixing the NSA's less savoury incursions. While arguably any foreign intelligence agency of note isn't going to be caught off guard by these leaks, leaking these details does offer political ammunition to the very people who st…

Agreed, i also found this article odd.

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#92
post #2

This sounds like a non-issue to me. Any person on this site could create little USB devices for stealing data. It's nothing special or new. I thought I was going to hear that they're light years beyond Tempest[1] or something. Feels good to finally hear an NSA story that doesn't depress me. 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)

Well, prepare to get depressed I guess...

(TOP SECRET etc.) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/NSA_COTTO... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_ANT_catalog

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#93
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comments like this make me think that maybe all the "acting naive about foreign affairs, diplomacy, and statecraft" is not actually acting. In the entire human history of diplomatic relations, nations have always attempted to spy on one another. Diplomatic relations are not based on trust, they are based on shared beliefs, interests, and goals.

> In the entire human history of diplomatic relations, nations have always attempted to spy on one another. Yes, and it's all bad. I don't see what's naive, or even controversial, about this.

So the US shouldn't have spied on the Japanese consulate in the 40s to anticipate the forthcoming declaration of war? Or intercepted German transmissions to break the Enigma code?

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#94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

news.ycombinator.com/y/politics news.ycombinator.com/y/programming news.ycombinator.com/y/startups Subcombinators :-)

I feel like y/politics would quickly turn into something not worth reading.

Much like /r/politics, it would hopefully catch the worst of the political bickering and simply unsubscribing from it would save you the pointless rehashed debates.

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#95
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post #37

This is another example of how Snowden has compromised national security by leaking secret information that has nothing to do with American metadata and everything to do with the NSA's charter and legal mission.

Who cares about US national security?

umm...me.

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#96

"We do not use foreign intelligence capabilities to steal the trade secrets of foreign companies" Nobody with an unspoiled mind and following the news last year will believe this bullshit. If there is anything, people all over the world (also in the US) should have learned: Statements from people of some federal US organisations can not be believed at all -- in many cases the complete opposite is true.

The NSA lost all credibility for their claim not to be stealing for commercial advantage when they were caught spying on Brazil's Petrobras (government owned oil company). It is simply not credible to claim this spying was for the prevention of terrorism.

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#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an odd argument and seems completely circular. You effectively state that the leaks aren't such a good thing ipso facto, then you go on to say that leaking these details proves it; thus they shouldn't be leaked. Kind of hard to find where that argument begins and ends. I know where your thinking is going, but you would first have to establish the NSA's trustworthiness to get there. That is exactly what is in q…

That's why the parent called it political ammuniton. Circular logic is the C of politics.

Not sure I get the analogy. Are you saying you don't understand C? Wouldn't that be your problem, not someone else's?

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#98
post #37

This is another example of how Snowden has compromised national security by leaking secret information that has nothing to do with American metadata and everything to do with the NSA's charter and legal mission.

Any thought that the NSA is adding to our national security is a delusion. How about a shift in your thinking: Instead f "securing" ourselves through trillions in weapons and intel BS - why not work toward creating a better world through better systems and people? How many Norwegian terrorists have there been? Fuck the NSA.

>How many Norwegian terrorists have there been?

At least two since 2011.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2467047/Terror-suspe...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

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#99
My favorite part:

"The technology, which the agency has used since at least 2008, relies on a covert channel of radio waves that can be transmitted from tiny circuit boards and USB cards inserted surreptitiously into the computers."

Oh, so they only need physical access to the machine, and then they can do stuff to it? It's like magic!

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#100
Well, I suppose it's time for the tin-foil-hat crowd to turn their computer cases into a Faraday cages then! Of course, these NSA gizmos might plug into ground and detect radio-induced current fluctuations. Given how many computer cases are metal, this might be the obvious way to go actually. So... Faraday cage and a really expensive ground conditioner?
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