In April ... of '15. Who cares. psa: ChromeOS(fast, stable) is based on Gentoo.
NSA takes care of your data.
Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8
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Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a CLI. So what you're not getting is server management.
As a CLI it's hideously baroque. It brings in all the mental overhead of OOP without the tooling needed to make OOP comfortable to work with. OOP is pleasant in .NET languages thanks to the relationship between Visual Studio and all information the .NET framework has about classes and assemblies - all the documentation around the object you're manipulating is right there. The lightweight-but-still-too-heavy Powershel…
It's an experiment, to see how hard it is to make "everything is an object" work as well as "everything is text" for scripting.
Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8
#53If Microsoft follows their old pattern of consumer OSes, Windows 9 will be fantastic: * 95: Dud * 98: Great * Me: Dud * XP: Great * Vista: Dud * 7: Great * 8: Dud
>"* Me: Dud, * XP: Great" Windows 2000 was great and it was between those too.
That was more of a professional/server release, not a consumer release, no? If 2000 is included, you can also include 2008, which was also good.
Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8
#54I hear no end of non-techie people cursing Windows 8 and its metro interface. As a latest example, one of my friends said he wanted to buy a new Windows laptop, but walked out of the store after being really confused using Windows 8 (quote was: "I don't know how I will be able to get work done in this.").
Personally, just the sheer learning curve to help someone set up a new Windows 8 laptop was ridiculous. I had to search the web for answers on things like locating the control panel.
Whereas Vista had quality and "annoyance" problems (new security UI), Windows 8 seems to have all the quality, but behind a blunderous user experience.
This tells me that Microsoft has really screwed this up. We techies quickly learn the new UI and adapt to it, figuring out how it works. It seems like the new UI was developed with a techie mindset, and but people outside of tech don't get it.
Or perhaps there's a simpler explanation. The Windows 8 UI really is an awkward meshing of "tablet-like" and desktop-like experience, with both experiences compromised. And it's filled with bad decisions, such as Metro-only Skype that requires you to convert your existing Skype account to a Windows login. Don't want to mess with your Skype account? Then you install "desktop" Skype. Two Skypes. Two different experiences. Seriously? You have gotta be kidding me. How could you ship that?
Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8
#55I hear no end of non-techie people cursing Windows 8 and its metro interface. As a latest example, one of my friends said he wanted to buy a new Windows laptop, but walked out of the store after being really confused using Windows 8 (quote was: "I don't know how I will be able to get work done in this."). Personally, just the sheer learning curve to help someone set up a new Windows 8 laptop was ridiculous. I had to…
How was it for a techie mindset?
Hit windows key, type in 'environment'. Where the hell is change environment variables?
A lot of the really important techie menus items are missing from Windows 8, it's actually pretty useless as a techie interface without modding vanilla, which I'm not a fan of because I use so many different machines.
Also try using server 2012 with a remote desktop connection. Nightmare.
NB: This was true last time I was using a win 8 machine, may have changed now.
Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a CLI it's hideously baroque. It brings in all the mental overhead of OOP without the tooling needed to make OOP comfortable to work with. OOP is pleasant in .NET languages thanks to the relationship between Visual Studio and all information the .NET framework has about classes and assemblies - all the documentation around the object you're manipulating is right there. The lightweight-but-still-too-heavy Powershel…
It's an experiment, to see how hard it is to make "everything is an object" work as well as "everything is text" for scripting.
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Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8
#57People skeptical about Windows 8.1 should try one of the new 8-inch tablets ( I tried a Dell Venue 8 Pro). The Modern UI just makes so much sense on it. Very satisfying experience once you spend 5mins getting used to it ..
I don't care about tablets. I can't use it on my laptop or desktop.
Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8
#58If Microsoft follows their old pattern of consumer OSes, Windows 9 will be fantastic: * 95: Dud * 98: Great * Me: Dud * XP: Great * Vista: Dud * 7: Great * 8: Dud
A bit like Star Trek films.
Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
>"* Me: Dud, * XP: Great" Windows 2000 was great and it was between those too.
That was more of a professional/server release, not a consumer release, no? If 2000 is included, you can also include 2008, which was also good.
2000 wasn't server only, it was an iteration of the NT brand that got merged with the Chicago (9X) line since XP. Windows 2008 was in fact a server only version.
I wonder if MS would have less trouble if they were doing the integration of windows brands in the same way that they did with NT and 9X.
Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8
#60Sigh. More new stuff to learn when I need to help people with their Windows boxes. How long can these guys go on releasing new operating systems? And how long will people keep buying them?
Major new releases are hardly inappropriate. There's still a lot of change in computers. Recall XP had no wireless support until SP2, and it hasn't been until Win7 or so that SSD's have been handled optimally (TRIM and so forth)
There really haven't been many major changes to the x86 architecture since the 386, with the notable exception of 64-bit recently. Pretty much everything else should be handled with driver updates or at worst a service pack.
I wouldn't even object to paying for those kinds of upgrades, if I needed them, if I could take them without getting a bunch of unwanted tinkering with the UI and toolset.
I eventually gave up on Windows as my primary OS because of many small, incremental breakages like changes to the batch language (without really fixing any of its serious shortcomings), it becoming impossible to do a simple file search from Explorer, then it becoming impossible to change file associations without a 3rd-party tool. But hey, if you want an animated dog for no reason, that's no problem!
I still need Windows 7 for some things (3D software is still almost exclusively Windows-only) and I still find certain things about OS X a bit clunky, but overall I'm rather happy that I no longer have to care about what Microsoft might mess up in Windows 9.