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Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8

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Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8

#31
Microsoft is in an unlucky spot. They sell to businesses and are trying to transition to something closer to Apple's business model, which is kind of a tricky proposition. Consumer and business have totally different buying cycles and expectations.

Also, Apple spent like a decade rebuilding their business to make it work before the iPhone happened. It started with the iMac, then iPod, then iPhone, then iPad, but with each one they learned something, killed some businesses, started new businesses, and in general worked to keep getting better at what they do.

Microsoft is only a year or two maybe into trying to do the same and until recently they haven't had the same kind of singular focus on it because they are just so freeking big. Apple was big, but Microsoft is a company of 99,139 people.

Think about moving that many different interests in the same direction. That takes time.

Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8

#32
post #15

> "To distance itself from the Windows 8 debacle, Microsoft is currently planning to drop the Windows 8 name and brand this next release as Windows 9." I... I don't... As opposed to what? Windows 8 2? Or Windows 8 SP2 I suppose. Still, one of the most ridiculous sentences I've read in a while (edit: didn't realise they released 8.1, thought it was SP1. I guess I partially retract how stupid I think the sentence is)

Windows 8.2 Professional™ Media™ Home™ Premium™ Edition™ Enterprise™ Ultimate™

I prefer Windows_8_2_n0CD_XcRaCkEdX

Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8

#33

Windows 9 Core. They didn't like our GUI, so we're sure end users will love learning Powershell.

Am I the only .NET developer who doesn't get the point of powershell?

"Look it's C#! But with uglier syntax. And terrible tools. But with a handful of tiny features that let it work like a command-line language!"

Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8

#34
So, this is a blog post, quoting a blog post, describing rumours of an operating system release that is over a year away, with no specific features quoted, just a name and a bunch of "it may ___s?"

Hacker News, you can do better than upvoting this garbage to the front page.

Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8

#35
post #33

Windows 9 Core. They didn't like our GUI, so we're sure end users will love learning Powershell.

Am I the only .NET developer who doesn't get the point of powershell? "Look it's C#! But with uglier syntax. And terrible tools. But with a handful of tiny features that let it work like a command-line language!"

It is a CLI. So what you're not getting is server management.

Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8

#37
post #35
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I the only .NET developer who doesn't get the point of powershell? "Look it's C#! But with uglier syntax. And terrible tools. But with a handful of tiny features that let it work like a command-line language!"

It is a CLI. So what you're not getting is server management.

Honestly i'd rather install Cygwin and manually manipulate the registry than deal with powershell.

Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8

#38
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Metro would have worked if MS hadn't tried to pull a Jobs with the windows store. And left the old start menu of course.

I don't think users give a crap about the Windows Store - the only people angry about that are developers, and maybe the 5 people who bought a Windows 8 RT device.

Yeah, when you prevent the developers from developing for your runtime it results in barren wasteland. When your new and celebrated platform is barren wasteland the conversation about your OS devolves into the barrens chat. Which is exactly what happened with win 8

Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8

#39
post #12

The only thing I want from Microsoft is for them to stop messing with the UI. Metro is fine and users will learn to like it.

I agree in that they need to leave the UI the hell alone unless there is a concrete benefit, but metro? Fine for everything except getting real work done, that is.

Mediocre tablet UI, godawful desktop UI.

Re: Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8

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post #35
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I the only .NET developer who doesn't get the point of powershell? "Look it's C#! But with uglier syntax. And terrible tools. But with a handful of tiny features that let it work like a command-line language!"

It is a CLI. So what you're not getting is server management.

As a CLI it's hideously baroque. It brings in all the mental overhead of OOP without the tooling needed to make OOP comfortable to work with. OOP is pleasant in .NET languages thanks to the relationship between Visual Studio and all information the .NET framework has about classes and assemblies - all the documentation around the object you're manipulating is right there.

The lightweight-but-still-too-heavy Powershell ISE leaves the user completely in the dark about the .NET framework.

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