Live data from Hacker News

What The Chinese Tech Industry Is Like

businessinsider.com

11–20 of 63 posts

Re: What The Chinese Tech Industry Is Like

#12

I would love to see the down sides. It feels like he's on his honeymoon stage with the country. I know of a few downsides but the current article make it seems like a tech paradise. * pollutions * the # of people graduating college doesn't imply that the quality of education in China is the same as USA. I've heard stories and my ex went to China to study abroad and cheating is rampant. It's mostly rote learning. * th…

I don't think it was meant as a review of China. It's a comparison of the tech industries.

Re: What The Chinese Tech Industry Is Like

#13
post #11

Are most of those numbers that surprising considering China's population? To me, it's not very interesting that a country with a huge population has a huge amount of graduates, etc.

I think the interesting thing is how little awareness of all of it there is in the US. It's easily explained (language barrier) but many people probably think that Twitter is the most active micro-blogging service in the world, that PayPal is the only really huge payments service, or that Amazon and eBay are the major players in ecommerce. For any service you can think of in the US, there's one in China that might be even bigger.

Re: What The Chinese Tech Industry Is Like

#15
post #12

I would love to see the down sides. It feels like he's on his honeymoon stage with the country. I know of a few downsides but the current article make it seems like a tech paradise. * pollutions * the # of people graduating college doesn't imply that the quality of education in China is the same as USA. I've heard stories and my ex went to China to study abroad and cheating is rampant. It's mostly rote learning. * th…

I don't think it was meant as a review of China. It's a comparison of the tech industries.

Education quality and pollution (lots of high-tech hardware industry stuff) are very relevant to the tech industry, I'd say. Also government and regulation issues.

Re: What The Chinese Tech Industry Is Like

#16
Barra used a graph showing that China produces more college degrees to draw the conclusion that China is "more educated" than the United States.

It'd be helpful to see college degrees conferred per capita before drawing this conclusion, as a country with 4.3x the population will obviously produce more degrees.

EDIT: In fact, it looks like China has about 8 million degrees conferred at last count, and the US about 3 million. Given the population multiplier, China seems to be far behind the US per capita.

Re: What The Chinese Tech Industry Is Like

#17
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it was meant as a review of China. It's a comparison of the tech industries.

Education quality and pollution (lots of high-tech hardware industry stuff) are very relevant to the tech industry, I'd say. Also government and regulation issues.

He is an executive at a Chinese tech company. They have PR awareness so he isn't going to get into anything politically controversial.

Also I don't think he was there to pitch you into doing business in China.

Re: What The Chinese Tech Industry Is Like

#18

Do those slides all add up? Incomes are rising ... except the world probably can't support a billion chinese at 1st world income levels. There are many billionaires ... because their gini curve is shot to hell. They have a higher percentage of graduates ... but most of their degrees are of a low standard. Looking at the company valuations on top of that and I start to get worried that this is a giant bubble that's go…

What is it about the world that you think can't support that? It's new territory, and it may "disrupt" the US (to some extent) over the coming decades, but China has been bootstrapping itself out of farming for quite a while already. It's mainly the internet industry that lagged the US by a few years, but has caught up or surpassed it now.

Re: What The Chinese Tech Industry Is Like

#19

I would love to see the down sides. It feels like he's on his honeymoon stage with the country. I know of a few downsides but the current article make it seems like a tech paradise. * pollutions * the # of people graduating college doesn't imply that the quality of education in China is the same as USA. I've heard stories and my ex went to China to study abroad and cheating is rampant. It's mostly rote learning. * th…

All of the amazing websites and apps created here are just copies of other apps, localized for China. I don't see this as anything to be too proud off, creating the apps isn't hard, and china has a huge number of people so you have that going for you.

Show us were China is innovating, that is where the real story is.

Re: What The Chinese Tech Industry Is Like

#20
To those who are interested in startups in China:

I personally know some people who worked on start ups in China. From their experience, I see no hope for start ups without connection with government. I will show you some facts and some real examples here.

Here are some basic facts:

Chinese government controls Internet content tightly. Note that it is not the same level as NSA's surveillance. NSA's surveillance is bad. But it won't, or rarely, (directly) change/delete the content. The Chinese government, on the other hand, can even shut down a whole datacenter without telling the administrator with no reason --- By "no reason", I mean absolutely no explanation.

I had a blog and I know the service provider personally (It was a website hosting blogs like myspace). My blog was a high ranked one on their website. I posted some content discussing related to democracy/free speech in China and the whole website was down for a day. My friend received a call from network management department after they cut the network. They forced my friend to delete my blog entirely (the whole blog including posts for years.)

Chinese website was required to control any content on their website, otherwise, like the case I mentioned above, their website might be shutdown before telling you the reason. This is especially true for small startups.

Here is another example: during the early age of twitter (around 2008.), there were several startups in China trying to make a copycat of twitter in China. We call it micro-blogs and there are companies like hainei, jiwai, etc. working on twitter-like services. As we all know, content on such websites generated very fast. Much faster than traditional blogs. This makes the filtering work extremely hard --- those websites has to identify contents which are "politically incorrect" and delete them before any government officer found them (And yes, we DO have government employees who are dedicated to found those contents and report it to their higher authorities.) Such filtering work is impossible for a startup with tens of employees -- They used some filtering algorithms but people can always use other words to bypass the filter. Such micro-blogs (or twitter-like services) grows so fast with too much "unwanted" content, that finally, by mid-May 2009, they were all shut down by the government for half a year. Imagine a startup running without a live service for half a year, you know how hard it would be.

During this time, large companies with government connections like sina, tencent, 163, ect, prepared their own micro-blog services and finally put it on line. Such companies has large teams who dedicated themselves to filter content on their websites. Nowadays, the micro-blogs are only run by those large companies and none of the startups survived.

I told these stories to those who do not familiar with Chinese Internet Policy and intent to do some startups in China. My advise is: do not run a content-based startups, otherwise you can hardly afford the cost of filtering the users' contents.

EDIT 1: changed some spellings and expressions.

Post reply on HN