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Re: Such DFW. Very Orwell. So Doge. Wow.

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I don't have downvote privileges. But I found this comment to be condescending without adding anything to the discussion but sarcasm.

How interesting. I do have downvote privileges and found your comment to add literally nothing at all to the conversation.

Likewise and likewise. I never downvote for content; I do, on the other hand, quite freely downvote in cases, such as this, where there is no content of which to form an opinion.

Re: Such DFW. Very Orwell. So Doge. Wow.

#22
post #6

Apparently language standards are racist/classist/whatever against everyone except the people who made the standard. Damn those British, oppressing me with spellings like "theatre" and "dialogue".

Not quite; there seems an implicit claim that oppressiveness exists along a gradient which, I can hardly resist observing, correlates closely with the average skin tone of those who employ a given dialect. On one end of this gradient, Wallace's "Standard White English" oppresses basically everyone on the planet save its few most fluent speakers; on the other, I've never seen anyone even try to make a claim of oppressiveness on behalf of, for example, AAVE.

Re: Such DFW. Very Orwell. So Doge. Wow.

#23
post #17

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First time I heard of it was in the context of dogecoin which I assumed was something inspired by the Venetian Republic.

such ignorant, so confuse, nice doge wow

And this is why I'm not taking anybody serious using that meme. Using it is saying "look at me, I am retarded".

Re: Such DFW. Very Orwell. So Doge. Wow.

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post #15
post #5

"Doge" is even more childish and cancerous than ragecomics. In 2 years most of us will try to forget how popular it once was.

Still don't understand if it's supposed to be pronounced as dog, doggie, dougue. But perhaps that's the point? Either way I've had quite enough of it.

If it helps, the English IPA for "doge" would be /doʊʒ/; if you need a key, Wikipedia has a good one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English

Re: Such DFW. Very Orwell. So Doge. Wow.

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post #24
post #15

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Still don't understand if it's supposed to be pronounced as dog, doggie, dougue. But perhaps that's the point? Either way I've had quite enough of it.

If it helps, the English IPA for "doge" would be /doʊʒ/; if you need a key, Wikipedia has a good one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English

Interesting, I heard it pronounced /dogɛ/ several times.

Re: Such DFW. Very Orwell. So Doge. Wow.

#26
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tl;dr An article espousing the merits of postmodernism and the obsolescence of so-called "Standard White English" (formal English), while also being written largely in SWE itself. Apparently, the "masses" read Reddit. Writing in formal academic English is for privileged white people and should be phased in favor of broken, anarchic, meme-inspired vernaculars, except on Wikipedia. How charming.

It's a piece in favor of writing however you want to because CSWE is hard to express yourself in. It's not really in favor of meme-inspired vernacular ("a horrific mess") but maybe it's still better than constraining ourselves to formal English. I'm not sure I agree with the part about people being mistrusted just because they speak that way though.

CSWE is hard to express yourself in

This claim baffles and infuriates me.

Re: Such DFW. Very Orwell. So Doge. Wow.

#27
post #23

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such ignorant, so confuse, nice doge wow

And this is why I'm not taking anybody serious using that meme. Using it is saying "look at me, I am retarded".

The intentional breaking of form takes more mental effort than just writing normally.

Good slam on the mentally handicapped, though. Good for you.

Re: Such DFW. Very Orwell. So Doge. Wow.

#28
post #23

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such ignorant, so confuse, nice doge wow

And this is why I'm not taking anybody serious using that meme. Using it is saying "look at me, I am retarded".

very hate, little understand, when love?

Re: Such DFW. Very Orwell. So Doge. Wow.

#29
post #20
post #7

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It's a piece in favor of writing however you want to because CSWE is hard to express yourself in. It's not really in favor of meme-inspired vernacular ("a horrific mess") but maybe it's still better than constraining ourselves to formal English. I'm not sure I agree with the part about people being mistrusted just because they speak that way though.

Would you make the same argument for programming languages? Should anyone feel free to code in whatever "vernacular" style he please, because living up to a defined standard makes it "hard to express [one]self"? No doubt someone will attempt the argument that there is a qualitative difference between a language in which one speaks to a computer, and that in which one speaks to other people, but in this case I contend…

If you're writing authoritative, reference-style code, then formal standards may be appropriate. If you're part of a huge project, writing code that is readable by everyone else on the project is simply a pragmatic thing to do. But standards can go too far even in those cases. I once worked on a project where we weren't allowed to depend on order of operations for math operators - we had to put parentheses everywhere. While it may have avoided some bugs, the coding style didn't allow for much self-expression.

When you're writing code for a smaller audience, or just one-off code for your own use, standards are much looser. If you're writing a one-liner in Perl, maybe there aren't any standards! And that's the point of the article. It doesn't make sense to apply strict rules about what you can say and how you say it when you're just updating your facebook status or making a blog post. I mean you could if you wanted to, just like "you can write FORTRAN in any language."

Yes, I would have read your post all the way through, and that judgmental attitude you reference is just what the author is arguing we should get rid of.

Re: Such DFW. Very Orwell. So Doge. Wow.

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post #15
post #5

"Doge" is even more childish and cancerous than ragecomics. In 2 years most of us will try to forget how popular it once was.

Still don't understand if it's supposed to be pronounced as dog, doggie, dougue. But perhaps that's the point? Either way I've had quite enough of it.

It's an awful lot easier to appreciate if you actually have a dog and have to spend a lot of time deciphering its communications.
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