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Growth Hacking Is Bull

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Re: Growth Hacking Is Bull

#31
post #8

The difference between "growth hacking" and "online marketing" as I understanding it is that the former involves dedicating engineering effort: building repeatable automated systems that operate at scales that are untenable with manual effort. Marketing, as a business objective, has historically been underserved by engineering. "Marketing engineering" occupied approximately the same status level as internal IT. "Grow…

I work in ad tech, and while this isn't the sort of position I'd take, I do fit the bill qualifications-wise in some ways (IMO). Someone who understands both the business and technology, involved in marketing/advertising. There's a slew of Professional Services positions in my industry that are basically outsourced growth hacking.

Re: Growth Hacking Is Bull

#32
The fact is, it doesn't really matter what was intended of the word when it was created. "Growth hacking" on its surface seems to imply beating systems for the sake of growth. Sean Ellis, who is happy to tell you he coined the phrase, considers most marketing for the sake of driving growth "growth hacking." But, despite the fact that what I do probably matches both of those definitions, I would still never call myself a growth hacker.

The reason I don't call myself that is because calling yourself a "growth hacker" is akin to calling yourself a "social media guru" or a "rockstar programmer." It's a buzz-word that's been taken over by people who have no idea what they're talking about. And if you have to beat your chest and call yourself a growth hacker, chances are you're not.

Are there some incredible marketers out there who beat and create systems to cause growth? Absolutely. But I don't think many of them call themselves "growth hackers" either. Interestingly enough I find a few brilliant minds when I'm roaming amongst the blackhatters of the world. The seedy underbelly of the Internet has some really sharp people in it determined to continually out-engineer Google, beat other systems, or just brute force something. And sometimes what they do is pretty ingenious. You can actually learn a lot from them if you look at the principles they use, legitimize them, and use them for good instead of evil. There are a lot of script kiddies to be sure, but that caliber of brilliant marketer, whether it be a spammer who uses it for evil or some of the marketers causing explosive growth at young companies rarely beat their chests and assign themselves buzz-wordy titles. They don't have to.

Just like social media experts don't call themselves "gurus." No one of any high level of legitimacy has ever assigned themselves the term "Thought leader." In the same way, 99% of the people who call themselves "growth hackers" are at a marketing intern equivalent level.

It's just turned into another phrase people who don't know what they're doing throw around because it sounds cool.

Re: Growth Hacking Is Bull

#33
"the same year Jason Calacanis started his highly-publicized crusade against the online marketing industry and, in particular, against professionals specializing in SEO and social media."

The same year Calacanis decided to found Mahalo, designed specifically to profit from abusing SEO 'growth hacking.'

Re: Growth Hacking Is Bull

#34

"Growth hacking" is like an SUV: an attempt to take something stigmatized as effeminate (minivans) and masculinize it, to the point that it develops its own mancult.

Ever tried to drive an 80's or early 90's minivan in five months of bad winter weather? SUVs had a great reason to exist.

They weren't developed to make minivans more masculine, they were meant to sit between the minivan and the truck, providing the best qualities of each.

Re: Growth Hacking Is Bull

#35
post #24

I am largely to blame for the recent tirade against “growth hacking.” I’ve let the term be bastardized and redefined a lot since my original blog post on it back in 2010 http://www.startup-marketing.com/where-are-all-the-growth-ha... . I wrote that blog post primarily for startups that had achieved product/market fit. The idea was not to replace marketing, but to create a category of marketing activities that have a…

> Growth hacking (to me anyway) is a subset of marketing activities too. I've always thought that it was the other way around, i.e. marketing is one of the things you can do in growth hacking, but not everything. To me growth hacking means doing/focusing on things that help grow the business, and marketing is just one of the things you can do. Other things that you can do to help growth include actually improving the…

The act of improving your product is not marketing, but deciding to improve it and what to improve is marketing. The same applies to reducing friction.

Re: Growth Hacking Is Bull

#36
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you've watched nerds sell you'd agree that there's some extra layer of complexity which only marketers understand. If you haven't read them you may enjoy Deschooling Society by Illich or The Spectacle of Society by Debord, though Debord gets a little postmodernist/heglian at points. http://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/DESCHOOLING.pdf

Nerds' general inability to sell isn't because they don't understand marketing lingo, but because they lack an intuitive sense of people/markets. Inconsistent and vague buzzwords do nothing to bridge that chasm.

Maybe its poor semantics, but I'm not really sure where this nerd/marketer divide is coming from.

One of them is a type of person/personality and the other is a job description.

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