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4K is for programmers

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Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by jotm »

MetaCosm wrote: post #256
jotm wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excessive backlight bleed - could be that you got a real lemon... Manufacturers do have frequent revisions on the panels - for example LG's e-IPS panels had 6 revisions (or more), each pretty different, initially with backlight bleed and ghosting problems, then AFRC and brightness changes (it varies a lot between revisions) and the bad reviews went to Dell, Asus, Acer and other display manufacturers...

Well -- at the time (way back in 2013, when it was signifigantly more expensive) -- the reviews echoed what I saw -- just Google around for them. Due to the number of reviews matching my personal experience (blown out brightness, bad color accuracy, unable to get it calibrated to good norms, etc) -- I was delighted to sell it off for what I paid for it. I can't prove without access to a modern panel that they didn't…

Any IPS panel is better (even the cheap $200 ones) than TN, but from what you're describing it sounds like the worst TV/monitor in the world :-). I've got an old Samsung LED TV that still has acceptable contrast/black levels, surely a new panel can't be that bad unless it's defect...

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Post by m0skit0 »

> but if you are programming on something so old, you should first contend with that. So for programming Android apps I need an top of the line GPU? Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Not even bothering reading the rest.

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by ciofeca »

A few weeks ago I got a brand new 27" 1920x1080 Asus display for some 200 bucks. Once at home, I realized it was a TV set without the TV receiver. This is the worst thing a programmer may ever buy.

A programmer's monitor should have not only a fairly decent contrast, but also the darkest black possible. This thing, even at the lowest brightness/contrast/colours settings, outputs a lot of light (and its black is just a gray), making it unsuitable for programming with any color scheme.

I switched back to the old 19" 1440x900 Samsung monitor bought some seven years ago, which has a true black. I'll pop in a mediacenter box and throw the 27" in the dining room.

Before buying a monitor, you should check for its "blackest black" in a low light condition and use full-screen.

And -yes- that tsotech article just sucks.

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by npsimons »

Flagged, for two reasons:

- Requiring JS for text. Okay, I'll turn it on this once since you claim "nothing dodgy."

- Disabling my control click to open in background tab, especially after claiming "nothing dodgy"? You shouldn't be on the front page.

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by pyre »

kudu wrote: post #178
MetaCosm wrote: post #104

> Today, you can still buy a 30-inch 2560x1600 display for over $1,000. Or you can get a 39-inch 3840x2160 display for $500. This choice is not even fair. Yes, you can buy a wonderful, physically adjustable, mountable, color calibrated, blissful contrast, delightful brightness control monitor with a great matte finish like the Dell 3014... or you can buy an absolutely awful 30hz, locked in place, blue tinted, horribl…

Alternatively, you could buy a nice 27" 2560x1440 Qnix QX2710 ( http://www.2560x1440monitor.com/index.php?route=product/prod... ), which has an excellent Samsung PLS panel and can often be overclocked to 120Hz.

I like the "Up to 5 dead pixels" on the product image. Makes it sound like a feature, "5 Dead Pixels in every monitor, guaranteed!"

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Post by fdkz »

largote wrote: post #264
Torn wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for pointing this out -- the article seemed to completely overlooked the panel quality and configurability. I'm personally really looking forward to a proper UHD/4K over 30" that does 144hz with GSync, which I can use as my main desktop monitor. It'll finally be a reason to upgrade from my old Dell Ultrasharp. The Asus PQ321Q is almost there, it's just limited to 60hz.

There's absolutely no difference from 60Hz to anything above it.

Yes, there is. I have side-by-side 60Hz and 120Hz monitors, and window dragging for example on the 120Hz one is much much smoother (I had to buy a gaming mouse, because most normal mice won't update at more than 100Hz I think). And movies don't have this jerky motion where 60Hz doesn't quite exactly divide with 24 fps that movies use.

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by slr555 »

The classification of this as a television reveals the schizoid nature of display development. For programmers the main requirement seems to be lots of pixels without undue eyestrain. Where things start to get crazy is that 4K is now the standard for movie projection in commercial theatres and creative professionals of all stripe are clamoring to produce content that takes advantage not only of the pixels but all the qualitative properties that photographers, illustrators, animators need. For me as a photographer, having a 4K camera is a wonderful thought in terms of resolution but if the display can't integrate into my workflow to match my printer then it is not so useful. It is this referenceability issue that makes it possible for Sony to sell 10,000 dollar reference monitors for television production. I can only hope for the day that I can by a $500 4K monitor for creative professionals.

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by brownbat »

largote wrote: post #264
Torn wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for pointing this out -- the article seemed to completely overlooked the panel quality and configurability. I'm personally really looking forward to a proper UHD/4K over 30" that does 144hz with GSync, which I can use as my main desktop monitor. It'll finally be a reason to upgrade from my old Dell Ultrasharp. The Asus PQ321Q is almost there, it's just limited to 60hz.

There's absolutely no difference from 60Hz to anything above it.

For a counterpoint: http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_5.html

Citing: http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html and: http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

The human eye's ability to detect change exceeds 200 fps, though "fps" isn't really a good match for how the eyes process information, which is highly dependent upon the scene in question.

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Post by dmm »

FootballMuse wrote: post #260
dmm wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Seiki supports true 120Hz at 1920x1080.

Advertised, but the 39" model does not deliver. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AClZklhqeA Edit: Looks like crossflashing, may fix it. Testing now... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1482611/review-of-the-seiki-39-4k-...

Damn. That's weird it works on the 39" but not the 50".

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Post by bhauer »

npsimons wrote: post #274

Flagged, for two reasons: - Requiring JS for text. Okay, I'll turn it on this once since you claim "nothing dodgy." - Disabling my control click to open in background tab, especially after claiming "nothing dodgy"? You shouldn't be on the front page.

Well at least you posted why. Incidentally, I got a lot of flack for the animation and loading posts via AJAX and the history API rather than just as traditional pages. Lesson learned: a blog isn't really the place to experiment with my meager UX skills. So I'll probably simplify it when I get some free time.
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