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Google Bus Protesters’ Manifesto: ‘Get Out of Oakland’

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Re: Google Bus Protesters’ Manifesto: ‘Get Out of Oakland’

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This is the wrong fight. Protester vs. Googler is a distraction. There are other, root causes of the problem that make the protesters angry, and doing this might relieve some frustration for them, but it does no good, and arguably does harm to their cause and gets us no closer to real solutions. Back in the 70's, Berkeley, a close neighbor, decided that rent control was the answer. It turns out that it helped, but it…

It's an issue in SF as well. NY Times article states that 27% of individuals in rent controlled units make more than $107K/yr.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/us/san-francisco-rent-cont...

Re: Google Bus Protesters’ Manifesto: ‘Get Out of Oakland’

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I was hoping to find a statement of some sort of achievable goal or solution. I did not expect to find one. This is mere sound and fury, of no significance.

The influence of this influx of wealth can be likened to a rising tide, and as Canute demonstrated, it is not terribly accomodating: the flow of dollars does not hear this outcry. I'm amenable to a discussion on whether markets are the most appropriate solution to the allocation of housing, but I doubt many others would be, and that is not the argument being made. If these people are angry about serving coffee, they should learn programming -- I taught myself, in the poverty of a third world country no less. If they are less able to learn programming than, e.g. the children of the Chicago Public Schools, then I would consider it reasonable to charge a far greater rate for the services that they do provide. If their services being provided are not of sufficient value to afford them a new apartment (rent controls already being in place, as far as I am aware) then 'Qu'ils mangent de la brioche'.

I'm no Horatio Alger character; I probably can't afford to live in the Bay Area even now -- so I don't. You want to talk about grinding poverty, let's bloody well talk. You want to talk about the evils of capitalism, you will find no more willing audience. If you merely want to rage and riot, and not stir a finger to help yourself otherwise, well...I'm not going to resort to invective, but you may have to live elsewhere, Canute.

Re: Google Bus Protesters’ Manifesto: ‘Get Out of Oakland’

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Already seeing the responses about how their worldview is simplistic, how the protestors are acting out against people who are there to help them... but does anyone want to comment on the actual complaint that the influx of tech money is increasing the cost of living for those not working in the industry? It seems equally simplistic to just dismiss their complaints when they seem to have a very valid problem. This is…

Supply and Demand is amoral, and section 8 housing promotes a "bare minimum" mentality for landlords.

So now, we have this huge supply of well off middle class kids like myself (I say kid at 26, pretty sure most of us still feel that way) who want a less expensive place to live but can pay for a decent residence. Housing costs go up as tenants actually matter to landlords, and the poor folk living on the taxpayers dime get edged out.

I don't know how to fix poverty, and I don't know how to make landlords care about tenants that don't give a shit about their home and don't have the cash to fix what they break. If everyone could become a responsible human being over night we'd have a lot of problems fixed.

What I do know is that having a larger taxpayer base in a city is a boon to everyone around. I'm from Ohio, and have watched this happen in most of Akron and Cleveland but in the exact opposite direction; The well off middle class left for anything that wasn't East Cleveland, and those that are too poor to leave seem to just destroy the neighborhood. If everything was crime ridden shit before, then it obviously isn't the fault of the new folk that moved in. The same goes in reverse.

Re: Google Bus Protesters’ Manifesto: ‘Get Out of Oakland’

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Already seeing the responses about how their worldview is simplistic, how the protestors are acting out against people who are there to help them... but does anyone want to comment on the actual complaint that the influx of tech money is increasing the cost of living for those not working in the industry? It seems equally simplistic to just dismiss their complaints when they seem to have a very valid problem. This is…

If nothing else, they are implying that they are entitled to living there indefinitely.

Are they? I'm not so sure. They have a right to feel upset that money has disrupted (and not in some cool buzzword startup kind of way) their way of life by driving up the cost of living without trickling down to them. A lot of what was written struck me as sour grapes, frustration at the ease with which some people live while they slave away, but it doesn't change the fact that gentrification can destroy communities and culture.

Re: Google Bus Protesters’ Manifesto: ‘Get Out of Oakland’

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> ... see the violence and degradation out there? This is the world that you have created ... No, that is the world that the current tenants have created. These are the people here to turn it around.

I think that the person who wrote the letter uses "you" here to refer to the non-blue-collar world. I think they would view the "turning it around" that you mentioned as making Oakland nicer by gentrifying the current residents off to some other place.

Re: Google Bus Protesters’ Manifesto: ‘Get Out of Oakland’

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Already seeing the responses about how their worldview is simplistic, how the protestors are acting out against people who are there to help them... but does anyone want to comment on the actual complaint that the influx of tech money is increasing the cost of living for those not working in the industry? It seems equally simplistic to just dismiss their complaints when they seem to have a very valid problem. This is…

If nothing else, they are implying that they are entitled to living there indefinitely.

Society has a variety of ways to entitle people to live somewhere. One involves purchasing the property. You could also enter into a lease with your landlord that gives you the right to renew for a very, very long time (which you'll pay for, of course, if you get it.)

Now, if you want to talk about rising property taxes driving people out, that's a legit thing to talk about, but really more of a NYC problem than SF.

Re: Google Bus Protesters’ Manifesto: ‘Get Out of Oakland’

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How can increased housing prices create foreclosures for the people who have been living in the area? If housing prices double overnight, the mortgages don't change a cent. The only way Google can create foreclosures is that they create unemployment. That doesn't seem likely. Getting more wealthy engineers to an area will likely increase jobs.

Re: Google Bus Protesters’ Manifesto: ‘Get Out of Oakland’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't you hear? Oakland was the most peaceful city in the country before about 2004 when Googlers started dispersing that far.

Seriously, it's all the Googler-on-Googler gang violence that has been skewing Oakland's crime statistics.

No, it's the Googler-on-Facebooker (if that's even a word) full-out gang war.

Re: Google Bus Protesters’ Manifesto: ‘Get Out of Oakland’

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Yes, that developer earning a relatively modest, yet maybe comparatively high, six figure salary is the root of all that is wrong in the world. Also I assume the author is implying their gentrification of Oakland is cool and acceptable but Google employees gentrification is so not. This vitriol really needs some perspective, although I'm pretty convinced this has to be a troll.

Perspective all around. The perspective where a six figure salary can be considered even remotely modest is the perspective that cuts the >90% of Americans who don't earn a 6 figure salary out of the frame.
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