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Re: 25Y Male making over $250K+ annually. Still stuck. Help?

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There are a number of things to consider. Finding accomplishment in life is something many struggle with. Perhaps your friend would feel some accomplishment by: * Mentoring new startups * Mentoring disadvantaged youth * Religion * Community service/projects * Becoming involved in local government service * Horticulture * Woodwork/old car restoration/old computer restoration * Adopt an elderly neighbor as a "grandpare…

Religion: How is a faith system i.e. "pretending to know things that you don't know" going to help? Community is a good thing, sure. But how does faith help?

Your definition of faith is incorrect. Faith in anything (religious or not) is merely choosing to believe in it without the necessary evidence or facts that would prove it to be true. "Pretending to know" implies something fairly different.

I'm not sure I would recommend religion to this person. But I wouldn't be surprised if his unhappiness comes from what he chooses to believe in some context.

Re: 25Y Male making over $250K+ annually. Still stuck. Help?

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What kind of job pays a 25 year old 160k with flexible hours? Genuinely curious.

He worked his ass off in an I.T firm, became good friends with the CEO...and helped grow that company. He made Director in 2 years. I think what bothers him is that he busted his ass to make that company big, and made his boss SUPER wealthy. So although he's making good money, if it was his own firm, he would've been a millionaire by now.

Two thoughts on this:

1) True, if it had been his own firm, he would have been a millionaire. But would he have known enough about his business at age 23 to create that same firm? I'm betting he has learned a huge amount in the last two years -- that he's much wiser and more savvy now than he was before he started this process. That wisdom will make him much better positioned to someday build his own empire than he would have been had he jumped the gun and started building without it. That's an advantage that very few 25-year-olds have.

2) OK, so his boss is a millionaire and he isn't. But what he will find as he earns more money is that there is no amount of money that is "enough." Say he goes out on his own and makes as much as his current boss does. Now he's a millionaire, but now he finds himself envious of multi-millionaires. And what he doesn't realize is that those multi-millionaires are envious of people who have hundreds of millions, and the people with hundreds of millions are envious of the people with billions... and on and on. It never ends. There is never enough.

Or as one of my favorite reads, Stephen Mitchell's translation of the Tao Te Ching (http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/taote-v3.h...), puts it:

   Fill your bowl to the brim
   and it will spill.
   Keep sharpening your knife
   and it will blunt.
   Chase after money and security
   and your heart will never unclench.
   Care about people's approval
   and you will be their prisoner.
   
   Do your work, then step back.
   The only path to serenity.

Re: 25Y Male making over $250K+ annually. Still stuck. Help?

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He's stuck in the success trap. You've detailed a list that has very little actual correlation to fulfillment. Those are all issues related to security, comfort, and a lifelong desire to one day avoid work.

I wrote a couple pieces on this at startupathlete.com.

Protip: millions of $ =/= success. Ask any millionaire what they would wish for and it's not another million $.

That being said, one of the best questions to ask when someone is in a rut is, 'if money was no object, if you had millions in the bank, what would you be doing'. The follow up, 'why aren't you doing that', will always have some excuse about money, which is bullshit. It's about fear, security, and risk tolerance.

The happiest people I know have the stones to risk their pride, lose all their stuff, and live with mistakes. The saddest people I know spend their later lives regretting the risks they never took.

Wish you both the best of luck.

Re: 25Y Male making over $250K+ annually. Still stuck. Help?

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He doesn't understand how to be happy or satisfied. He needs a therapist. I think most people do, they underestimate the value of having an independent sounding board to help work through these kinds of feelings. His expectations are either unrealistic, or he's surrounded by people who are always doing better, despite him doing well, which makes him seem like a failure. He has the luxury of those feelings. Silicon Va…

It might take a while to find a good therapist- so some support there with encouragement to keep trying if the first one doesn't work out can be helpful.

Focusing on mindfulness, and also healthy habits like regular exercise also might help. To aid with getting into a meditation practice, I ended up going to a workshop at a local Zen center, but Yoga works also. There are also an increasing number of meditation groups that are based on mindfulness meditation that's not based on any traditional practice, but rather based on the recent understanding we've arrived at with how meditation actually effects the body- look for "mindfulness based stress reduction".

I don't have nearly that sort of income but have been fighting a similar battle for a long time. It can take a little while to get through. At least the subject hasn't been completely paralyzed by lack of fulfillment, and made things work in the mean time.

Re: 25Y Male making over $250K+ annually. Still stuck. Help?

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"Like he hasn't accomplished what he was called to do in life. He's always working on some startup trying to become the next millionaire but continues to fail."

Is the calling to be the next millionaire or is being the next millionaire a substitute for what he thinks might be his calling?

Re: 25Y Male making over $250K+ annually. Still stuck. Help?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many intermediate-senior level dev jobs at AAA-level shops (see: Google, Facebook, etc), as well as many startups. I know people in this range (and above) in both the Bay Area and NYC.

Yes but at 25? That's 4 years of experience out of college. I'm in my second year working in technology for a large i-bank and I'm barely breaching 100k :(

I know this doesn't need saying ... But I can guarantee you that there are ~25 year old bankers at the investment bank who are making more a lot more than $100k. Technology roles are discounted at investment banks, since they perceive technology as a cost centre, not a profit centre. But at Google/Apple/etc, it's the opposite - technology is a profit centre, and finance roles are a cost centre.

Re: 25Y Male making over $250K+ annually. Still stuck. Help?

#69
some nice walls of text here. If you can't do, teach. Tell him to love his wife and spend as much time with her as he can, if he values her more than his own ego. There's plenty of time to get that winning idea. He isn't some freak from a Stephen King novel and he doesn't need therapy or any tibetan bullshit for dead people.

Re: 25Y Male making over $250K+ annually. Still stuck. Help?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I look forward to the day when twice-yearly visits to a therapist are as socially-accepted and -expected as visits to the dentist. Your brain, like your teeth or your car, needs regular servicing by a professional if you want optimal performance and want to avoid costly repairs.

> Your brain, like your teeth or your car, needs regular servicing by a professional if you want optimal performance and want to avoid costly repairs. I don't know that I agree. I was fortunate to be raised by incredible parents. I emerged extremely well-adjusted and prepared for adulthood. I am not saying I never benefit from a counselor or therapist. There have been times I have visited each for help and advice, or…

I think we agree in the large part. The part about relying on a third-party professional was assumed.

I'm reminded of a relative's teeth: they might have been born with exceptional enamel, preventing all manner of early cavities, but now they lack the oral hygiene habits they need going forward.

Along those same lines: to what degree are you uncommonly well-adjusted, versus born to circumstances in which many of your foibles don't cause problems to _you_ because of the consequence buffer provided by fortuitous race, sex, orientation, class, etc.? I know I can get away with under-developed stress processing because I'm white and male and date women, for example.

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