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4K is for programmers

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Re: 4K is for programmers

#31

This seems like flaunting your budget more than improving your environment. Maybe I just need to get my eyes checked again, but for some reason my code just doesn't perform any better or write itself any faster with more screen real estate and I'm as productive on my laptop as I am on my big screen. 4K is not for programmers, code is for programmers.

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Re: 4K is for programmers

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I had 4k for years (4x 22" displays in pivot mode). It really improves productivity on complex tasks such as debugging. Soon I will upgrade to 3x Dell P2815Q with 6480x3840 resolution.

I'd love three of those Dell monitors. But did you happen to see the update to that Forbes article [1] that suggests that the P2815Q will also be limited 30 Hz refresh? I'm enduring 30 Hz now obviously, so I know it can be done, but I'd like to see Dell up the ante a bit and make 60 Hz 4K happen. [1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/01/07/dell-w...

30Hz is not really a problem for reading code. And it also makes things simpler for graphic cards.

Re: 4K is for programmers

#33

This seems like flaunting your budget more than improving your environment. Maybe I just need to get my eyes checked again, but for some reason my code just doesn't perform any better or write itself any faster with more screen real estate and I'm as productive on my laptop as I am on my big screen. 4K is not for programmers, code is for programmers.

$500 is such a small amount to pay, it is easily recouped over the course of a year. $100k to pay a developer? Just 0.5% to break even through reduction in time spent, or increase in comfort, or decreased eye strain, additional time spent working, or improved retention. It can be a signal to potential hires that you spend money where it counts, instead of fancy foosball tables or a 75" plasma in the reception area. I always tried to get my team the hardware they wanted because it's such an easy problem to solve as a manager and can pay in spades.

I agree it's not an automatic improvement, but I'll take that bet every time.

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Does anyone know if the 15" 2012 MBPR (that is, MacBookPro10,1) supports 4K with its HDMI output under Mavericks? Of course, it will only be 30Hz, but that's tolerable.

From what I can tell (running the same unit you are), only the 2013 rMBPs will drive 4k panels. Would love to be wrong on that, though.

I've got an early 2013 rMBP with the NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M and it drives 4k at 30 Hz over HDMI.

Re: 4K is for programmers

#35
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"Seiki is missing a golden opportunity to dominate the desktop display market by removing the television tuner, speakers, and remote, and then reallocating that budget to a 60Hz or better input (HDMI 2 and/or DisplayPort), a matte screen surface, and instant-on DPMI support, all the while retaining the market-wrecking price." And while we're at it, I want a unicorn as well! Seriously, speakers, a remote and a TV tune…

I'll take my unicorn in black, too.

I'm not a monitor manufacturer, just an opinionated blogger. But are you telling me that a matte surface would cost more to manufacture than a glossy surface? DPMI support costs a lot? Of my wishlist items, DisplayPort seems the toughest to this layperson, but even that doesn't seem unreasonable.

In my earlier blog entry about the same monitor, I said I'd also be willing to pay a tiny bit more. If I could get the "professional" version with the attributes I listed above for $600, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Re: 4K is for programmers

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I had 4k for years (4x 22" displays in pivot mode). It really improves productivity on complex tasks such as debugging. Soon I will upgrade to 3x Dell P2815Q with 6480x3840 resolution.

I'd love three of those Dell monitors. But did you happen to see the update to that Forbes article [1] that suggests that the P2815Q will also be limited 30 Hz refresh? I'm enduring 30 Hz now obviously, so I know it can be done, but I'd like to see Dell up the ante a bit and make 60 Hz 4K happen. [1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/01/07/dell-w...

It's a TN screen :(

Re: 4K is for programmers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I can tell (running the same unit you are), only the 2013 rMBPs will drive 4k panels. Would love to be wrong on that, though.

I've got an early 2013 rMBP with the NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M and it drives 4k at 30 Hz over HDMI.

Can you reply with your Model Identifier?

Click the Apple icon in the top left of the menu bar, choose "About This Mac", click "More Info", click "System Report", and on the first screen ("Hardware Overview"), the Model Identifier will be displayed. Mine is "MacBookPro10,1".

I would love to verify that it is capable of driving these 4k displays, if you wouldn't mind checking.

Re: 4K is for programmers

#38
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I can tell (running the same unit you are), only the 2013 rMBPs will drive 4k panels. Would love to be wrong on that, though.

I've got an early 2013 rMBP with the NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M and it drives 4k at 30 Hz over HDMI.

Huh. Apparently that one's identical to Mid 2012 except for a tiny improvement in CPU, so that sounds promising. Thanks!

Re: 4K is for programmers

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"Seiki is missing a golden opportunity to dominate the desktop display market by removing the television tuner, speakers, and remote, and then reallocating that budget to a 60Hz or better input (HDMI 2 and/or DisplayPort), a matte screen surface, and instant-on DPMI support, all the while retaining the market-wrecking price." And while we're at it, I want a unicorn as well! Seriously, speakers, a remote and a TV tune…

I'll take my unicorn in black, too. I'm not a monitor manufacturer, just an opinionated blogger. But are you telling me that a matte surface would cost more to manufacture than a glossy surface? DPMI support costs a lot? Of my wishlist items, DisplayPort seems the toughest to this layperson, but even that doesn't seem unreasonable. In my earlier blog entry about the same monitor, I said I'd also be willing to pay a t…

I think you mean DPMS, DPMI is a little different[1].

[1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DPMI

I'd need to dig a bit to know for sure, but I'd probably they're using off the shelf parts for HDMI that may or may not support DPMS, and either way it'll probably be some hardware changes. If they've already tooled up, yes, it will take some coin to make the transition.

Re: 4K is for programmers

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"Seiki is missing a golden opportunity to dominate the desktop display market by removing the television tuner, speakers, and remote, and then reallocating that budget to a 60Hz or better input (HDMI 2 and/or DisplayPort), a matte screen surface, and instant-on DPMI support, all the while retaining the market-wrecking price." And while we're at it, I want a unicorn as well! Seriously, speakers, a remote and a TV tune…

The fact that it can only do 30Hz in UHD mode is probably one of the reasons it's so cheap - going to 60 or 120Hz is a two to four-fold increase in processing.

It'll happen - it's just a matter of time (less than 18 months if Moore's law is anything to go by)

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