Udacity's Sebastian Thrun, Godfather Of Free Online Education, Changes Course
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Re: Udacity's Sebastian Thrun, Godfather Of Free Online Education, Changes Course
#2That's still thousands (tens or hundreds) of students who passed. So perhaps the 'click-through' rate for MOOC is the same as it is for ads?
I feel Professor Thrun's work has had a positive impact on my work, even though I'm one of the students who didn't pass on time. I gradually worked my way through the material while riding the Caltrain and have a greater understanding of ML and AI topics. So it's not a total wash.
Also, by admitting he may not have been right publicly he disarms critics overall. Smart.
Re: Udacity's Sebastian Thrun, Godfather Of Free Online Education, Changes Course
#3Everyone's too fixated on the completion rates for these courses. The reality is that the people who are checking out these courses are doing it mostly out of intellectual curiosity at this point, so they have no reason to finish certificates, or finish courses, or watch lectures that they're not interested in. These people have no incentive other than to pick and choose, and to idealistically expect that people will put themselves through the downsides of education (HW, exams, watching the boring lectures when they can just pick the interesting lectures) is unrealistic, and certainly not an indication that "MOOCs have failed."
Re: Udacity's Sebastian Thrun, Godfather Of Free Online Education, Changes Course
#4> the shockingly low number of students who actually finish the classes, which is fewer than 10%. Not all of those people received a passing grade, either, meaning that for every 100 pupils who enrolled in a free course, something like five actually learned the topic. That's still thousands (tens or hundreds) of students who passed. So perhaps the 'click-through' rate for MOOC is the same as it is for ads? I feel Pro…
Re: Udacity's Sebastian Thrun, Godfather Of Free Online Education, Changes Course
#5The thinking about MOOCs and their success metrics is flawed. We wouldn't measure the success of Wikipedia by the percentage of people who've read an entire Wiki article top to bottom for a particular topic they've searched for, why would we expect the same for MOOC courses? The reality is that it's just a great social good that these courses are available online and accessible to the select few who should choose to…
Re: Udacity's Sebastian Thrun, Godfather Of Free Online Education, Changes Course
#6> the shockingly low number of students who actually finish the classes, which is fewer than 10%. Not all of those people received a passing grade, either, meaning that for every 100 pupils who enrolled in a free course, something like five actually learned the topic. That's still thousands (tens or hundreds) of students who passed. So perhaps the 'click-through' rate for MOOC is the same as it is for ads? I feel Pro…
1) Access the videos/materials for all time (even when the course is no longer open).
2) Try out different courses / professors
3) Learn the basics (i.e., watch only week 1 out of 6); or perhaps watch all videos but ignore the testing materials. After all, if there is no real credential involved, I might only care about gaining an understanding of the subject, rather than prove I understand it through testing.
I am a full time student (not in CS), and in addition to my real life course load I am currently taking Networking, Cryptography, and Algorithms. There is no way I will have the time to complete more than 1, or MAYBE 2, of the 3.
In other words, I view my low completion rate as a huge success. Coursera seems to have realized this fact. They have just started doing pre-course surveys that ask you how many videos you intend to watch (none, 25%, 50%, all), and they ask how much of the homework you intend to do.
Of course, offering degrees or college credit, especially in exchange for cash, will obviously increase completion rates, but mainly by dissuading people like me from signing up.
Re: Udacity's Sebastian Thrun, Godfather Of Free Online Education, Changes Course
#7But courses with deadlines I spam subscribe the hell out of. The majority are available indefinitely once you subscribe and I may be interested in revisiting them at some point over the next year or so. Even if they delete the content after the class finishes I just use a small script to keep track of the dates and download everything once the final lecture is delivered.
You can try and recreate scarcity online but it will backfire. I only complete about 1-5% of the classes I've signed up for because I want the option of picking one that might turn out to be interesting later. Places like udacity and coursera would be much better off having class material public forever while having recurring deadlines for submissions only. The only people who would sign up to classes then would be those who are interested in submitting materials.
Re: Udacity's Sebastian Thrun, Godfather Of Free Online Education, Changes Course
#81.6 million times 5% = 80,000. Still an impressive number.
I've probably started 20 MOOCs and completed 3.5, so I'm part of that "low completion" statistic. I often fall behind the posted deadlines because I have so much on my plate. That's not a knock on MOOCs; if it's a knock on anyone, it's on me. The quality of MOOCs is (IMO) as high as for most big-lecture college courses. (It's not yet as good as for a 20-person course.) However, when you have a full-time job plus side projects plus family, and you don't have the social pressure of having to pass 8-10 courses per year, you have to be really motivated to complete the work, especially within the deadlines. But is it a loss or gain to the world if someone completes a MOOC 6 weeks late? Or gets only 60% of the material? It may not be as much of a gain as the traditional college course provides, but it's a gain in absolute terms.
If those 80,000 students are getting the same quality of course as they'd get at Stanford, that's fucking huge. Not a small accomplishment at all.
I wish people wouldn't write off MOOCs because, yes, they're the crappy first iteration that only early adopters care to power through. They're not ready to replace traditional education, the latter being a gigantic trillion-dollar problem that touches all sorts of deep sociological problems.
The problem is that you have a lot of hucksters in education (cough Knewton cough) who massively overpromise, raise a lot of money, and don't deliver much. They've damaged the reputation of the space immensely. The truth, however, is that online education is a good thing and it's (albeit slowly, with fits and starts) getting better. If there's anything worrying to me, it's that our ability to educate each other is, while improving, not doing so quite as fast as the rate of technological change. But I guess that's a good problem for the world to have.
Re: Udacity's Sebastian Thrun, Godfather Of Free Online Education, Changes Course
#9There are two large problems with MOOCs right now that are documented in the article but not well enough supported IMO: 1) There are no transferrable credits to colleges and 2) They are free.
And the two problems go unsurprisingly hand in hand, and they both have to be solved simultaneously if MOOCs are going to work. The ideal scenario would be that each course costs somewhere around $150 and courses can be transferred WITH credits to as many accredited institutions as possible. Why? Well firstly, once you pay for something, the average persons's conscious will naturally have that commitment in the back of their minds and will not want the investment to be a sunk cost. Furthermore, if credits are offered, college kids will be able to take a variety of courses in fields that they may want to try out and the more institutions that allow credits from MOOCs, the more students will feel comfortable taking these courses. It will be a great outlet for students to use in a variety of ways. The SJSU example is extremely poor as the sample is way too limited and as mentioned in the article, the bulk of students who signed up for courses were in limited situations.
Re: Udacity's Sebastian Thrun, Godfather Of Free Online Education, Changes Course
#10The thinking about MOOCs and their success metrics is flawed. We wouldn't measure the success of Wikipedia by the percentage of people who've read an entire Wiki article top to bottom for a particular topic they've searched for, why would we expect the same for MOOC courses? The reality is that it's just a great social good that these courses are available online and accessible to the select few who should choose to…
I think what changed Thrun's mind was the less than successful SJSU experiment: http://www.npr.org/2013/12/31/258420151/the-online-education...