Frameworkless JavaScript

How disappointing, the article is called "Frameworkless JavaScript", but the author uses jQuery for the application. Yeah, I get it, jQuery a library...

File size seems like the biggest concern, but really, how important is that on a dynamic page that needs to load exactly once? And using a CDN it might already be cached anyway.

That being said, I also like clean, minimal JS code.

Suggesting that frameworks are too complicated because they "add tens of redundant methods, adding complexity for the end user" is ridiculous. The number of methods in something doesn't always add to the complexity - in a lot of cases a framework vastly reduces the difficulty of using something by abstracting away the hard stuff so the user doesn't need to worry about it. That's pretty much the point of a framework. Further though, using an established framework improves things through the "many eyes" principle - if tens of thousands of people have used a piece of code, chances are it's going to be pretty damn bulletproof and it'll have a swathe of documentation backing it up (as official docs, blog posts, StackOverflow questions, etc). No startup can even dream of competing with that.

Specifically in the case of moot.it, perhaps as a thing that's dropped into a website to provide a discussion forum having tight code is a bonus, but if you're writing something for other people to extend then using a well known framework as a starting point is a very, very obvious choice.

It is refreshing to see this post. As someone who has tried, and not really taken to, all three of those frameworks I sympathize.

Stick with what works for you. Shipping code on your own terms is the end goal. The customer viewing the page does not care one iota what framework you are using.

By no framework, I think don't use an MVC framework, it does not add value. (I wrote a book on MVC framework). Great is the enemy of good, they are bad for you.

There are non MVC frameworks that focus on UI/DOM/CSS. I based this on Enity/System more w/ events management, I call it module buss. Don't have time to evagelise it ( http://github.com/puppetMaster3/ModuleBU ) Don't use MVC, code is just all over place, there are other patterns. I know this is shocking.

This sentiment, expressed collectively, commoditizes the entire profession.

How can you expect to ask for raises if all devs are basically interchangeable? If we've eradicated all notions of design, and follow prescriptive rules of structuring and solving problems that anybody can Google and follow, then what avenues are left to express technical ability? What differentiates you?