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> More or less everything is expected to talk HTTP, and it’s really easy to make things talk HTTP.
A lot of things that shouldn't talk HTTP are expected to just because there's an army of programmers who don't know better. Also, it's actually hard to make things talk HTTP, partly due to HTTP itself. However, much of this complexity is hidden, leaving people to think that
> devices are memory-starved, CPU-starved, and battery-starved.
In what freezing fucking hell is a dual-core, 1 GHz computer with gigabytes of RAM and tens of gigabytes of storage and 3D acceleration that can fit in my pocket memory-starved and CPU-starved?
The fact that so many applications perform computationally trivial things, but lag on such devices, has nothing to do with their processing power being low, and has everything to do with them being badly written. It takes a lot of effort to make an application lag on such a system.
> Browsers suck too
Browsers are fine as long as you use them for what they are meant to be used: browsing HTML files. Seriously, browsers have been just fine and dandy since the days of Opera 6.
What does suck, indeed, is when people try to use tools that were meant to make HTML docs look nice to build an office suite. They inevitably end up with an office suite that sucks, but that's not the browser's fault.
(Edit: just to be clear, the author kind of seems to imply some of these points, too)
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He works on Go at Google. A skilled professional no doubt, could he not have made some valid points rather than simply calling PHP disgusting. It didn't add anything to the conversation. If you where in the pub and someone spent some time listing the virtues of the pint they where drinking, and then someone joined in the conversation and called it disgusting with no basis .. wouldn't you find that to be odd behavior?
He probably didn't elaborate because he felt the basis for the view was clear - there are clearly areas of PHP which still need work. PHP is often frowned upon because the APIs are a mess of legacy cruft like addslashes, magic_quotes, mysql_escape_string, mysql_real_escape_string, mysqli_real_escape_string versus prepared statements. Efforts are being made to clean it up, but for a language to ever end up in a place…
> function byNum(a,b) {return +a>+b}
undefined
> [5, 10, 1].sort(byNum)
[1, 5, 10]
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He works on Go at Google. A skilled professional no doubt, could he not have made some valid points rather than simply calling PHP disgusting. It didn't add anything to the conversation. If you where in the pub and someone spent some time listing the virtues of the pint they where drinking, and then someone joined in the conversation and called it disgusting with no basis .. wouldn't you find that to be odd behavior?
He did explain why PHP is disgusting mess. And hell, the fact that people have that opinion stems from somewhere. And that is a fact we should all take a note of -- to build better tools. You see, PHP is nothing but a tool, and as a tool, it's not very liked one due to it's flaws. Solution? Abandon it! Build new, better tools instead of feeling threathened. Le PHP sink and die it's well deserved death and make way fo…
"it's not very liked one due to it's flaws", PHP is very well liked, just not by everyone .. which goes for most things in life.
"It’s a pity some people still build important apps in PHP..." Getting real tired of seeing these baseless statements from so called software professionals. Here is an off-the-top-of-my-head list of features of modern day PHP: * yield * event * pthreads - yeap, real threads. * closures (including support for $this) * consistent hashing api * "finally" added to try-catch * empty() now supports expressions, rather than…
I'm not a real programmer. I throw together things until it works then I move on. The real programmers will say "Yeah it works but you're leaking memory everywhere. Perhaps we should fix that." I’ll just restart Apache every 10 requests. -- Rasmus Lerdorf
It’s a pity some people still build important apps in PHP... I wonder how that could be. It's almost like people chose to use PHP and it works for them. Like they made an informed decision and actually ended up going with PHP. Maybe they are just too dumb for their own good. Or maybe PHP is actually a perfectly sane choice for lots of cases outside of your FP ivory tower.
That's why I choose Django and Python when I wanted to do a web based app properly (as opposed to hacking something together quickly in Perl / CGI which is what I did know).
I have not regretted my choice so far. (No idea if I would have regretted using PHP, but Python does seem to do stuff well / properly most of the time).
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He probably didn't elaborate because he felt the basis for the view was clear - there are clearly areas of PHP which still need work. PHP is often frowned upon because the APIs are a mess of legacy cruft like addslashes, magic_quotes, mysql_escape_string, mysql_real_escape_string, mysqli_real_escape_string versus prepared statements. Efforts are being made to clean it up, but for a language to ever end up in a place…
Check the manual; magic_quotes, mysql_escape_string and mysql_real_escape_string have already been deprecated/removed.
Efforts are being made to clean it up, but for a language to ever end up in a place with that sort of library functions is a pretty big red flag.
And here I am naively assuming that Snowden et al. at least taught us that nothing should talk HTTP anymore and everything should talk at least HTTPS.
Maybe 2015 then.
I think this paints a rather meagre picture of software development in 2014: > More or less everything is expected to talk HTTP, and it’s really easy to make things talk HTTP. A lot of things that shouldn't talk HTTP are expected to just because there's an army of programmers who don't know better. Also, it's actually hard to make things talk HTTP, partly due to HTTP itself. However, much of this complexity is hidden…
A lot of people now want to use their browser for far more than that and browser technologies are evolving accordingly. I'd suggest it's been quite a while since browsers were meant to be used for nothing more than browsing html files.