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Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699

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Post by derefr »

alextgordon wrote: post #197
rsync wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You need to scale things while they're rendered, and as long as you only do vector graphics like drawing lines and rectangles, that's fine." Yes, I'm with you so far ... my confusion is, I thought that is what the "ready for 4k blah blah" improvements in iOS and Mavericks, etc., were. I thought that was the whole problem they solved, and I am surprised to see it is not. I can see various apps being broken in this wa…

They are. http://arstechnica.com/apple/2007/10/mac-os-x-10-5/10/ This is not a general solution however. Even the new and shiny Final Cut Pro X uses rasters throughout. There's only three ways to support higher resolution displays: 1. Invest in better tools, like Core UI or PaintCode. 2. Exactly double the density and use @2x resources. 3. Switch to "Flat UI" design language. For the system UI elements, Apple chose o…

What about 4: ship the actual Illustrator files used to make those raster resources, and just render+cache them for each size the user actually switches to? (In est, treat them like JITable bytecode.)

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Post by rayiner »

timr wrote: post #219
photojosh wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but when you're actually working on a hi-PPI display, you can then lean in to view more detail, rather than zooming in. Much like we inspect things in the real world. As a photographer, this means a great deal. I can verify the sharpness of an image (a key component in deciding whether to keep it or chuck it) at a glance. Saves a lot of time.

Yeah, maybe...but there's still a practical limit. In order to see the pixels on a thunderbolt display (again, 109ppi) I have to get my face about 7 inches away from the screen. Closer than about 5 inches, and I lose the ability to focus because the screen is too close -- so there's a band of about 2 inches where I can gain from a higher pixel density than 109ppi, without losing due to eyestrain. And in any case, I'm…

You can see image degradation from pixelation long before you can make out individual pixels. I can't really make out individual pixels on my MBA (130 ppi) at one foot, but looking at a MBP Retina at the same distance looks dramatically better. On the MBA, the fuzziness from the heavy anti-aliasing used to hide the pixelation is quite apparent, but on the MBP Retina pixels look like sharp-edged solid shapes.

Re: Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699

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Post by pugz »

chx wrote: post #47
BadassFractal wrote: post #34

I can't believe we might finally start seeing some movement in the resolution world outside of the Macbook realm. Think this will ever make it to laptops? Dell announces the year 2025 Ubuntu Programmer Edition ;) On an unrelated note, I have a last-gen Intel Haswell CPU with the HD4600. There's no way I can power this, can I?

It already made it to laptops: http://www.slashgear.com/toshiba-tecra-w50-and-satellite-p50... Toshiba Tecra W50 and Satellite P50t get 4K display updates

Saying it's already made its way to laptops is a bit of a stretch - the article you linked to said they'll be available mid-2014. This Dell monitor is available in a couple of weeks.

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Post by bhauer »

victorhooi wrote: post #214

Hmm, the Forbes article has been updated with specs: UPDATE: I now have confirmation of the P2815Q’s full specs, and have listed them below. Unfortunately, it tops out at 30Hz 3840 x 2160 and 60Hz for 1920 x 1080. This should prove a deal breaker for gamers, but the monitor still has a solid feature set for the asking price. Panel tech: Anti-glare TN (not IPS which was previously rumored) Connections: DisplayPort (v…

Yuck. That negates the excitement I felt about this monitor this morning.

We already have a 30 Hz option (the Seiki). Let's see some forward momentum please, Dell.

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Post by ckeck »

Keep in mind that this appears to be a Dell "Professional" series monitor and not one of their UltraSharp lineups. So something somewhere has been sacrificed in order not to be included in the US class, and it shows in the price.

I also believe this specific monitor only does 30Hz refresh at 4K, so...that's a big part of it.

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Post by 0x0 »

byuu wrote: post #170
0x0 wrote: post #13

Does this monitor have a built-in scaler, or do you get a small picture if you run at less than the full native resolution? I saw some earlier articles complaining about the lack of a scaler on some of the new "4k" monitors, but I couldn't find anything right now about this one.

It's worse than just a tiny picture: my ZR30w cannot display any source formats not 2560x1600. So I cannot connect it to any game consoles, a Roku box, etc. Only a PC video card. But it does result in an astonishingly low latency, at least.

So I guess entering any kind of BIOS setup is out of the question then! :O

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Post by JungleGymSam »

jimmaswell wrote: post #215
mortenjorck wrote: post #149

Something to keep in mind is that this is effectively a Windows monitor, not a Mac one. The reason for this is PPI: Most Apple displays are in the 100-110 PPI range, with Retina Display Macs doubling that to 220 PPI. At 28", a 3840 x 2160 panel has a PPI of 157, which sits right between Retina and non-Retina densities. This means that on a Mac, you’ll have to use it one of two ways: Either at 1x, where the higher PPI…

isn't it expected that things are smaller on a higher-res monitor?

That's what I thought. I'd rather have more screen real-estate than smoother fonts. Which is one thing I'm disappointed about with my Nexus 5. All these pixels and I still have the same amount of space on the homescreens? Hell!

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Post by FireBeyond »

rartichoke wrote: post #103

Unless it can do at least 60hz at 4k then no one should buy this. 30hz is ridiculously bad, even for desktop usage.

Just about all of these screens, with the exception of the first gen Seiki, can do 60Hz just fine. It's the computer, and interface, that struggle.

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Post by ciupicri »

bhauer wrote: post #126

Excellent. Again, a big thank you to Seiki for dropping a bomb on the display industry, whether or not Dell acknowledges it. 3840x2160 at 28 inches is quite fantastic. A step closer to 10,000+ horizontal pixels in a single ~50 inch display, which I consider an ideal for desktop computing. The burning question for me right now is who will sell me a GPU with three DisplayPorts to drive three of these? The top-end nVidi…

Quoting from http://www.displayport.org/embedded-systems/microsoft-pushes... :

Microsoft Senior Program Manager Gavin Gear created his newest setup with a pixel rate that is truly jaw-dropping – 1.5 billion pixels per second (yes, that’s a billion with a “B”). The overall 12K x 2K resolution (across the three screens) on the PC gaming rig was built by three Sharp PN-KN321 4K Ultra HD displays connected with DisplayPort 1.2 to register the best refresh rates enabled through Multi-Stream Transport. Gear also took advantage of ASUS’ HD 7970 DirectCUII’s four DisplayPort outputs.

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Post by corin_ »

maaku wrote: post #209
chris_wot wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? 1 USD is currently 1.12 AUD. How did you get that conversion?

940.00 AUD / 838.80 USD ~= 1.12 What's the problem?

(Thanks for saving me from questioning my sanity)
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