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Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699

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Re: Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699

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Something to keep in mind is that this is effectively a Windows monitor, not a Mac one. The reason for this is PPI: Most Apple displays are in the 100-110 PPI range, with Retina Display Macs doubling that to 220 PPI. At 28", a 3840 x 2160 panel has a PPI of 157, which sits right between Retina and non-Retina densities. This means that on a Mac, you’ll have to use it one of two ways: Either at 1x, where the higher PPI…

It's unfortunate to characterize a monitor that Mac OS doesn't support very well right now as Windows-only. At any rate, UHD looks like it's well on its way to becoming a very widespread standard, so it's not unreasonable to expect that Apple will improve support for it soon.

> It's unfortunate to characterize a monitor that Mac OS doesn't support very well right now as Windows-only.

Specially since changing dpi is usually trivial on any X server since the mid 80's.

Re: Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699

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Note: according to the article the monitor is actually UHDTV (3840x2160), not 4K (4096x2160). Content encoded at 4K will need to be either cropped or scaled down, similar to 1080p content shown on a 1240x1024 monitor.

Related reading:

"Your new '4K' TV isn't true 4K"

http://www.avsforum.com/a/the-not-so-subtle-distinction-betw...

Re: Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699

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post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that every 3D game qualifies as an app that renders correctly under arbitrary multipliers, that argument seems a little suspect. The real answer is that there is an industry of designers accustomed to doing per-pixel tuning of their art assets and this work is worthless if the assets are going to be scaled anyway. Selecting integer multipliers (so far: "2") allows those assets to continue to render as des…

Let's be reasonable... 3D games and traditional desktop environments have a very different set of HCI expectations. You aren't often clicking an icon in a 3D game. While, I'd probably prefer to have vector graphics for desktop assets just for the flexibility, hand-tuned scaled images usually look better than their vector scaled siblings.

> You aren't often clicking an icon in a 3D game.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. In case I'm not, here are some counterexamples.

Check out the first two pictures in this thread (most things on that UI are clickable):

https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/leaked...

Clickable chat UI (Planetside 2):

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6746/planetside2201302131...

Clickable UI within a 3D world (Doom 3 had a bunch of these):

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/gamespot/imag...

Re: Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can drive 4k with a recent macbook, but it's laggy as sin. My Amazon review: http://www.amazon.com/review/R4OJ5D5RPILCH/

Thanks for that note. I was at the Apple store in Pasadena this week checking out a new rMPB (OS 10.9.1) and the Sharp 4K monitor. They connect by HDMI, not DP, at the moment. This limits refresh to 30Hz. I did not notice the lag on text input that you did (but, I did not enter much text; I didn't think of this as a possible issue). I also did not notice any significant lag with the mouse. This may be user-dependent.…

Interesting.

FWIW, this isn't 30 hz vs 60 hz. My windows box is limited to the same 30 hz and has no issues.

Re: Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699

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post #46

I remember shopping for large format LCD panels in 2011. I equivocated for a while between a 30" HP for around $800 and a 30" Dell, and eventually ended up buying Dell's u3011 for around $1100. I also remember thinking how unreasonably high the prices were for large LCD panels and hoping that they wouldn't stay that way forever. It was a time when my monitor cost more than my computer. I think it's safe to say that t…

Soundsticks? http://www.amazon.com/Harman-Kardon-Soundsticks-III-Multimed...

I'm using these at home too.

Previously I went through Logitech's every 2-3 years, I've never even considered changing to something else since owning them.

Re: Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699

#206

I remember shopping for large format LCD panels in 2011. I equivocated for a while between a 30" HP for around $800 and a 30" Dell, and eventually ended up buying Dell's u3011 for around $1100. I also remember thinking how unreasonably high the prices were for large LCD panels and hoping that they wouldn't stay that way forever. It was a time when my monitor cost more than my computer. I think it's safe to say that t…

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If I had my time again with headphones, I'd be buying DT770 (work) / DT990 (home)/ Bose QC15 (travel)

The Beyer's are very comfortable which I think is the #1 feature for long periods of use.

The Bose make my daily commute enjoyable now as I can listen to podcasts with no distraction.

Re: Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699

#207

Note: according to the article the monitor is actually UHDTV (3840x2160), not 4K (4096x2160). Content encoded at 4K will need to be either cropped or scaled down, similar to 1080p content shown on a 1240x1024 monitor.

4K means multiple things and we just have to get used to it. There is the DCI 4K native resolution of 4096x2160, 4K UHD of 3840x2160, and then there is the 4K in 16:10 at 4096x2560. Of these the UHD is likely to be the thing anyone cares about because it's what TVs will use. The native DCI resolution is probably the least interesting, because actual content will have different resolutions in practice depending on the…

> Of these the UHD is likely to be the thing anyone cares about because it's what TVs will use.

I really hate this logic. 16:9 is a horrible format for displays - 90% of the usage of a work monitor (which is what this is targeted towards).

Sure 4K (UHD) is exciting, but I'm really hoping for the 16:10 or taller formats.

Re: Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699

#208

Something to keep in mind is that this is effectively a Windows monitor, not a Mac one. The reason for this is PPI: Most Apple displays are in the 100-110 PPI range, with Retina Display Macs doubling that to 220 PPI. At 28", a 3840 x 2160 panel has a PPI of 157, which sits right between Retina and non-Retina densities. This means that on a Mac, you’ll have to use it one of two ways: Either at 1x, where the higher PPI…

> At 28", a 3840 x 2160 panel has a PPI of 157, which sits right between Retina and non-Retina densities. This means that on a Mac, you’ll have to use it one of two ways: Either at 1x, where the higher PPI means everything will be much smaller than it is on a normal monitor, or at 2x, where the lower PPI means everything will be much bigger than normal.

... so? Who cares if the icons are 1.5cm instead of 1.0cm? For writing code, browsing the web, watching movies, having multiple terminals open, what does it matter?

Re: Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know nothing about Australia, but $699 plus 20% is $838.80, which is $940 in AUD, which is under $1k.

Really? 1 USD is currently 1.12 AUD. How did you get that conversion?

940.00 AUD / 838.80 USD ~= 1.12

What's the problem?

Re: Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699

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post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4K means multiple things and we just have to get used to it. There is the DCI 4K native resolution of 4096x2160, 4K UHD of 3840x2160, and then there is the 4K in 16:10 at 4096x2560. Of these the UHD is likely to be the thing anyone cares about because it's what TVs will use. The native DCI resolution is probably the least interesting, because actual content will have different resolutions in practice depending on the…

> Of these the UHD is likely to be the thing anyone cares about because it's what TVs will use. I really hate this logic. 16:9 is a horrible format for displays - 90% of the usage of a work monitor (which is what this is targeted towards). Sure 4K (UHD) is exciting, but I'm really hoping for the 16:10 or taller formats.

I agree. I mean that most people will care about because most people will be buying TVs not monitors, and content for their TVs, etc. So there is a good chance that 4K as a term will be most commonly used for TVs not monitors.
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