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Re: The New York Times Redesign is Live

#51

The changes on the homepage a minimal, howserver they have made some big changes to the artical pages ( http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/business/international/asi... ). Note that you can now scroll through the entire article, no clicking next three times!

Yeah, this itself is very zen inducing. Very good step.

Re: The New York Times Redesign is Live

#52

If I may take a moment to whinge and whine a tad; Websites like this infuriate me because for all their "design", sites like Reddit and HN (which are basically just lists) are delivering news in a much more consumable fashion, better suited to the eating habits of the common or garden user. Who's to blame? The designers with their need to make their own mark? The suits with their demands that the business needs be me…

Agreed. There's reddit and on the other end there's pinterest. Both of those work in their context, but this nytimes redesign is skeuomorphism and all that's missing is the fake paper background image. As someone else points out it's probably because of all the older, stagnant people who expect newspapers to look like this. If these types of people listened to music online you'd probably see spotify's UI look like a record or tape player. I qualify older with stagnant because as I'm getting older I'm aware that it's not so much about age than a common laziness and reluctance to deal with an ever increasing pace of innovation. And that reluctance affects us all because it comes with scams, toolbars, shitty ads and botnets.

Re: The New York Times Redesign is Live

#53

If I may take a moment to whinge and whine a tad; Websites like this infuriate me because for all their "design", sites like Reddit and HN (which are basically just lists) are delivering news in a much more consumable fashion, better suited to the eating habits of the common or garden user. Who's to blame? The designers with their need to make their own mark? The suits with their demands that the business needs be me…

It's not "bosses v. designers", it's a newspaper failing to grasp that when you put a newspaper online it doesn't have the same visual constraints a printed newspaper have. Either that, or it's the newspaper totally getting that they do need to look like that to not confuse the heck out of the large constituency of readers that are slightly older and less tech-savvy than the Reddit crowd. But yeah, I'm with you, I'm…

I wonder how much of thinking in the past affects more of of a newspaper's thought process on online?

For instance, NY Times insists on using the delivery model for charging for online access. Additionally, the local newspaper here tries to use every new shiny toy they can. At the moment, it's auto play videos. lol

Re: The New York Times Redesign is Live

#54

If I may take a moment to whinge and whine a tad; Websites like this infuriate me because for all their "design", sites like Reddit and HN (which are basically just lists) are delivering news in a much more consumable fashion, better suited to the eating habits of the common or garden user. Who's to blame? The designers with their need to make their own mark? The suits with their demands that the business needs be me…

My dad finds sites like Reddit/Digg/HN totally overwhelming, and I doubt he's alone. It's generational. Sites like NYT use standard design techniques to direct your attention (font size, etc) that work really well for people that are more-accustomed to traditional media. And, frankly, seeing a huge-headline is a much more-immediate way to indicate the importance of a topic than scanning down a list and looking for st…

Digg overwhelming? Maybe old digg. Not new digg.

Re: The New York Times Redesign is Live

#55

I like the clean typography, and appreciate that they were content with subtle changes rather than something "radical." But why, oh why, did they add one of those horrible floating bars at the top of the screen? Those things almost always break page-down, yo!

Page down is working for me...

True, I can still hit the space bar, but it does something different and broken. Try paging down on HN, and you'll see that the bottom 1-2 lines are preserved at the top of the screen, so you don't lose your place. Now try it on NYT: at least for me, there is absolutely no context preserved. That's better than the all-too-frequent case where a line is missed entirely, but it still makes reading harder. Plus, I'm so used to lousy sites that skip a line on page-down that I don't trust the NYT's version not to do so.

EDIT: They seem to do the right thing on articles, but not on the front page.

Re: The New York Times Redesign is Live

#56

If I may take a moment to whinge and whine a tad; Websites like this infuriate me because for all their "design", sites like Reddit and HN (which are basically just lists) are delivering news in a much more consumable fashion, better suited to the eating habits of the common or garden user. Who's to blame? The designers with their need to make their own mark? The suits with their demands that the business needs be me…

It's not "bosses v. designers", it's a newspaper failing to grasp that when you put a newspaper online it doesn't have the same visual constraints a printed newspaper have. Either that, or it's the newspaper totally getting that they do need to look like that to not confuse the heck out of the large constituency of readers that are slightly older and less tech-savvy than the Reddit crowd. But yeah, I'm with you, I'm…

I'm a fan of print newspaper layouts so the closer the digital product can be to that, the better.

This layout (as opposed to a list format)makes browsing and discovering articles outside of my normal focus areas much easier as the headlines don't all blend together.

I'm not sure what the best layout would be, but for a newspaper, the NYTimes current style is better than a Hackernews style list.

Re: The New York Times Redesign is Live

#60
post #23

I like the new article pages generally, but I might need to write a userstyle to remove the position: fixed on the floating top bar.

With Stylish:

   @namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);

   @-moz-document domain("www.nytimes.com") { 
   #masthead {
     position: relative !important;
   }

   }
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