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Re: Why Tough Teachers Get Good Results

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Back in high school, our journalism teacher was legendary for his scathing, but usually humorous criticism. And yet the Friday after we published the newspaper, critique day, was one of the most-eagerly anticipated days, as he would alternate between complementing people and then ripping others apart for not just things like punctuation and sentence structure , but higher-level failures such as failing to interview k…

I think there must be a psychological equivalent to the feeling that your kids' sports teams "play to their opponents."

I would not be surprised for research to demonstrate that children perform to the expectations given them, particularly when those expectations are clear and consistent. In fact, most people thrive in environments where they understand the rules, rewards, penalties, and where those structures are evenly and consistently enforced.

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Back in high school, our journalism teacher was legendary for his scathing, but usually humorous criticism. And yet the Friday after we published the newspaper, critique day, was one of the most-eagerly anticipated days, as he would alternate between complementing people and then ripping others apart for not just things like punctuation and sentence structure , but higher-level failures such as failing to interview k…

I think there must be a psychological equivalent to the feeling that your kids' sports teams "play to their opponents." I would not be surprised for research to demonstrate that children perform to the expectations given them, particularly when those expectations are clear and consistent. In fact, most people thrive in environments where they understand the rules, rewards, penalties, and where those structures are ev…

The environment you describe doesn't include "ripping people a new one" for spelling errors.

Correcting mistakes is one thing but insulting people making errors is probably harmful not helpful.

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Back in high school, our journalism teacher was legendary for his scathing, but usually humorous criticism. And yet the Friday after we published the newspaper, critique day, was one of the most-eagerly anticipated days, as he would alternate between complementing people and then ripping others apart for not just things like punctuation and sentence structure , but higher-level failures such as failing to interview k…

I think there must be a psychological equivalent to the feeling that your kids' sports teams "play to their opponents." I would not be surprised for research to demonstrate that children perform to the expectations given them, particularly when those expectations are clear and consistent. In fact, most people thrive in environments where they understand the rules, rewards, penalties, and where those structures are ev…

There is a good documentary about schools that defy the odds in traditionally bad areas of inner cities called "Waiting for Superman"[0] one of the things they talk about is having consistently high expectations for _every_ student.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_%22Superman%22

Re: Why Tough Teachers Get Good Results

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I haven't read the article but from personal experience I know this is not correct. Tough teachers without inclination and ability to better the student only makes them worse. As put in by one of the best teachers I had 'A teacher's job is to make student interested in the subject'. Whatever approach makes the student reach to this, would be right.

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> What makes a teacher successful? ... Their No. 1 finding: "They were strict," she says. "None of us expected that." Teachers are not successful because they are strict (it's not directly causative): they are successful because they are in command of the classroom. You can gain better command of a classroom through fear of abuse, yes, but this is not a method we should aspire to.

Strictness and abuse are completely unrelated. To imply that to require pupils obey rules is abuse is mind boggling.

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The implications in this article that strict = effective are flat-out stupid. A teacher does not have to be hardass to encourage children to have high expectations and to be OK with failure.

I think a truly effective teacher, at all levels, will encourage curiosity and creativity in subject-matter. The best way to do this, in my view, is mutual respect.

The teacher's idolised in this article seem to operate through fear, which eventually fades into a semblance of respect over time.

Praise doesn't make you a bad learner, learning in environments that encourage low expectations and stock answers to every situations probably will. Strictness might correlate with high expectations, but it sure as hell isn't the best way of going about it.

That said, I agree with a number of points in the article (some are implied from the provided data):

- Students with higher expectations perform closer to their potential (whether internal or external expectations, though other research suggests that internal motivation is far more important than external).

- There is possibly a formative stage of development where children's expectations are adjusted to their environment. Being surrounded by high expectations will correlate with high expectations with the learners.

- People who aren't afraid to fail will achieve more than those who are.

- Students who are in environments that emphasise strict route learning perform better on tests and memory exercises (spelling bees) than those who don't.

None of that really goes beyond common sense.

I'd really love for education to move beyond success = memorisation and into success = adaptability and understanding. The world rewards autodidacts because a lot of us worked this out on our own.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is deliberately connecting the two (e.g. in the first paragraph), which is why I comment on it.

7th paragraph: > Now I'm not calling for abuse; I'd be the first to complain if a teacher called my kids names

The fact that the 7th paragraph says "Now I'm not calling for..." implies that the connection was made in the first 6 paragraphs, yes.

Re: Why Tough Teachers Get Good Results

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I haven't read the article but from personal experience I know this is not correct. Tough teachers without inclination and ability to better the student only makes them worse. As put in by one of the best teachers I had 'A teacher's job is to make student interested in the subject'. Whatever approach makes the student reach to this, would be right.

you are using two different "types of teachers" to judge his argument and construct your argument.

A teacher without inclination and ability to better the students would perform bad even with your approach, which is "whatever approach to make student interested".

I think to read the article in article's spirit, he is talking only about teachers interested and able to "teach". The article's definition of teacher is someone who can teach (make students better) and not someone who is appointed by school and is not interested in students.

Considering this, the question OP is trying to address is : among the various approaches which is the best approach to teach.

I would say, an article containing analysis on data is more informative to me than just making a statement, whatever approach is right.

Re: Why Tough Teachers Get Good Results

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I see these articles, and what troubles me is that they assert schools are a certain way without backing it up. People love to complain how spoiled kids are these days, but how much truth are in those claims? My education was certainly like the article's Mr. K, but my schools were chronically low performing.

Specifcally,

-Are schools really eschewing rote memorization?

-Are schools really less "strict" than before? Does a teacher really have less control of their classroom than today?

-Are helicopter parents really more of thing today than in the past?

-Are kids really not being taught they can fail a class?

I've yet to see any evidence cited for the above assertions, but I do hear them constantly being repeated.

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