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Re: Get Facebook WiFi for your business

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Post by ryanmerket »

angryasian wrote: post #237
debt wrote: post #210

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Like a drug, nobody knows yet the long term effects of Facebook. So when someone acts super paranoid about the effects of something yet unproven, other people come out of the woodwork and try to give the guy some perspective. It's kind of the same negative attitudes we see towards GMO's, drones or RF radiation. I mean people could easily flip their perspective and, instead, see these tools as very powerful and, if us…

> effects of something yet unproven What ? Its pretty well known that Facebook is pretty lackadaisical with your personal information from leaks to giving it away to their "partners".

Source?

Re: Get Facebook WiFi for your business

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Post by ryanmerket »

ezrameanshelp wrote: post #102
telecuda wrote: post #90

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A hybrid approach would be nice for your example: check in on Facebook to get online yourself, or go ask the barista for the WiFi password

More likely: there will be no hybrid approach and you'll see a piece of paper tacked to the bulletin board: "House throwaway Facebook account login for those without an account."

Seriously? There IS a hybrid approach (read above comments). Ridiculous.

Re: Get Facebook WiFi for your business

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Post by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC »

interpol_p wrote: post #247
sbt wrote: post #197

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> Isn't it surprising that in a country that finds national IDs liberticide the problem of identifying people is being outsourced to a corporate monopoly? This was the core of the problem during all the Snowden leaks last year; A fraction of the population recognized how serious it was, but for the vast majority it just didn't compute. This terrifies me and I fear that we may have to see an entire generation before s…

But what if the vast majority of the population is right ? What if there are no detrimental long term effects to our society when our digital privacy is compromised? What if the majority of the population ignoring the risks and simply being productive in the areas they work best is the best thing for society? I'm not arguing this point of view, but I think risks are often be exaggerated by the security conscious.

I think one has to distinguish between no privacy and privacy controlled by some central entity, though. If essentially everyone knows everything about everyone, that might work (though I have some doubts how one could get there from here, especially as it would need some fundamental changes in our economic system), but having the control concentrated in one place seems to me to be very risky indeed, as that is a huge pile of power in the hands of a few.

Re: Get Facebook WiFi for your business

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Post by unicornporn »

rattray wrote: post #119
carlob wrote: post #109

Real conversation happened to me in an ice cream shop with a home-brewed facebook captive portal in Cambridge, MA. me: Excuse me, is there a way to log into the wifi if you don't have a facebook account? clerk: No, we've had a lots people doing illegal stuff on our wifi, so we need to verify their identity. me: I understand, however I don't have a facebook account. Would you like to verify my identity with a photo id…

Why not make a fake Facebook account? I imagine it could be useful in a number of other similar situations. (This is a serious question - I imagine there are real reasons why not, I just can't think of any myself apart from inconvenience/general principle).

That is possible to do now. I'm however convinced that there will be a day when creating such an account will be more difficult (phone number needed etc). That day will most likely come after the Facebook WiFi router is widely implemented.

Re: Get Facebook WiFi for your business

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Post by interpol_p »

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC wrote: post #253
interpol_p wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what if the vast majority of the population is right ? What if there are no detrimental long term effects to our society when our digital privacy is compromised? What if the majority of the population ignoring the risks and simply being productive in the areas they work best is the best thing for society? I'm not arguing this point of view, but I think risks are often be exaggerated by the security conscious.

I think one has to distinguish between no privacy and privacy controlled by some central entity, though. If essentially everyone knows everything about everyone, that might work (though I have some doubts how one could get there from here, especially as it would need some fundamental changes in our economic system), but having the control concentrated in one place seems to me to be very risky indeed, as that is a hug…

Is it power? What does it allow one to do?

If the average person in the population simply does not care if their private details are exposed, transferred, or looked at, then does the person who holds those details hold power over anyone?

Again, I generally think having some privacy is a good thing, and personally do not use my Facebook or other social accounts outside of a professional context. But sometimes I wonder whether most people care at all, and whether that is actually detrimental to society.

Security advocates can often sounds like doomsday prophets, suggesting that the downfall of society begins with private companies amassing personal information.

Re: Get Facebook WiFi for your business

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Post by diminoten »

carlob wrote: post #109

Real conversation happened to me in an ice cream shop with a home-brewed facebook captive portal in Cambridge, MA. me: Excuse me, is there a way to log into the wifi if you don't have a facebook account? clerk: No, we've had a lots people doing illegal stuff on our wifi, so we need to verify their identity. me: I understand, however I don't have a facebook account. Would you like to verify my identity with a photo id…

You have privacy concerns about making a fake Facebook account but you want to get onto an open wifi?

Modern day hypochondriacs, the lot of you...

Re: Get Facebook WiFi for your business

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Post by guloizo »

msoad wrote: post #122
ihsw wrote: post #2

And so Facebook encroaches upon the physical world to anchor itself -- storefront businesses will come to rely on Facebook to sell personalized ads. I wouldn't be surprised if Facebook gets to access data about who purchases what and when. If you don't think Google will be doing the same thing with LTE-enabled cars, think again. Their partnership with automakers is no small challenge, and the data gathering opportuni…

I wouldn't be surprised if Facebook gets to access to data about who purchases what and when I would sell all my transaction history for $5/month. Why should I care if their ads are getting better when I never pay attention to ads?

you don't understand how ads work, do you ? educate yourself about neuromarketing and read this 1920's book by Freud's nephew Edward Bernays.

Also you don't understand how profiling works, do you ? A visible effect is ads, but it's not the only one and there are invisible effects. See NSA, crackers and http://online.wsj.com/public/page/what-they-know-digital-pri...

Re: Get Facebook WiFi for your business

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Post by blueskin_ »

pydave wrote: post #162
blueskin_ wrote: post #148

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It's not even for the average, because too many people are far too stupid for that and things suddenly have to be 'for everyone'. Someone with a 100 IQ and a modicum of common sense can deal with such things as an options menu, despite what google/apple/increasingly MS think.

> Someone with a 100 IQ and a modicum of common sense can deal with such things as an options menu It depends on previous context. Myself and another career programmer couldn't figure out how to print a wikimedia image on my uncle's Surface RT. (We tried several different apps and looked for context menus in each one to provide a print option.) As far as we could tell, it couldn't be done without dropping to the desk…

Well, a surface is explicitly designed for the lowest common denominator. Context-sensitive menu options that change what they do have always been a bad thing as they completely block development of muscle memory for actions; they would only ever logically be useful for people who are not fully able to remember multiple locations and associate them with different actions.

"Make a completely foolproof product and only a fool will use it".

Re: Get Facebook WiFi for your business

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Post by diminoten »

bruceboughton wrote: post #83
MartinCron wrote: post #22

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I wouldn't be surprised if Facebook gets to access to data about who purchases what and when The upside would be that you at least wouldn't keep seeing ads for things that you just purchased, as Facebook would know that you already have them. Kind of a crappy silver lining, I know.

I wouldn't bet on it. Amazon knows exactly what I just bought and still shows me 100 different variations on it "recommended" for me.

Right?! God dammit Amazon, I just bought a crock pot! You know that! Why do you still serve me ads about crock pots!? The whole point of the surveillance state is to make use of all that info you have on me - frankly, it's insulting. I demand a better big brother!

Re: Get Facebook WiFi for your business

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Post by diminoten »

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC wrote: post #214
jbigelow76 wrote: post #213

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The "social contract" now includes wifi?

No, the social contract includes not snooping in other people's private lives, and not co-opting unsuspecting third parties for doing so.

So they have to give you free WiFi with no strings, stipulations, or benefit to them?

You're free to not get on the WiFi if you don't want to, and frankly if you're hopping on any public WiFi, you've more or less lost any practical claim to privacy in the first place.

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