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New York State Is Set to Loosen Marijuana Laws

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Re: New York State Is Set to Loosen Marijuana Laws

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

is recreational use of marijuana legal anywhere in canada?

In vancouver, yes you can smoke it in public places but most people don't except around beaches and parks or in dedicated vapor lounges (BYOS, bring your own stash) most people don't give a shit, but some old timers might be give you a stare and quickly look away because obviously marijuana is dangerous like heroin and that you are a thieving junky. A police officer should you run into one, the worst he can do is tak…

To be clear it is illegal to possess marijuana in Canada.

Canada is in a weird state right now where police chiefs are suggesting to the government that it should ticket people smoking on the street instead of arresting them, while the federal government is advancing notion of USA style crack down (recently mandatory minimum jail time for growing was passed).

It's not clear what will happen if police catch you smoking on the street, but my feeling is that it may not be treated as a minor issue like it would have been 10 years ago.

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Coloradan here. No matter how dangerous and unhealthy you think marijuana is, confrontational relations with law enforcement and pre-trial detention for marijuana possession are much more dangerous and unhealthy. Prison is violence, and lets drop the Newspeak: arrests result in prison. Its time to end Prohibition. Its time to legalize it.

Chris Hayes nailed it last night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-tsyNXmDEo

Good lord, what a fantastic video. Absolutely nailed it.

I particularly like this because it's a first-hand, completely transparent account, rather than a second-hand/third-hand/this-might-have-happen account of white privilege.

Re: New York State Is Set to Loosen Marijuana Laws

#43

Coloradan here. No matter how dangerous and unhealthy you think marijuana is, confrontational relations with law enforcement and pre-trial detention for marijuana possession are much more dangerous and unhealthy. Prison is violence, and lets drop the Newspeak: arrests result in prison. Its time to end Prohibition. Its time to legalize it.

It's extremely unlikely you'll get prison for marijuana possession. Stop spreading propaganda.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/lists/top-10-marijuana-m...

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This may be the tipping point regarding federal policy. With marijuana laws already effectively off the books in California, Washington, Colorado, and more, there just isn't anything the federal government can do to make up for it. The average state prosecutes more marijuana possession cases than the federal government, and now states are deciding not to do this.

I think there's a point now where it makes sense writing to Congress and asking exactly what Congress thinks they can accomplish in this area without lifting the federal ban.

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post #43

Coloradan here. No matter how dangerous and unhealthy you think marijuana is, confrontational relations with law enforcement and pre-trial detention for marijuana possession are much more dangerous and unhealthy. Prison is violence, and lets drop the Newspeak: arrests result in prison. Its time to end Prohibition. Its time to legalize it.

It's extremely unlikely you'll get prison for marijuana possession. Stop spreading propaganda. http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/lists/top-10-marijuana-m...

And North Koreans are extremely unlikely to be sent to a concentration camp, and its extremely unlikely someone will be injured by a drunk driver. But the threat is no less real, and by no means propaganda.

Re: New York State Is Set to Loosen Marijuana Laws

#46

Coloradan here. No matter how dangerous and unhealthy you think marijuana is, confrontational relations with law enforcement and pre-trial detention for marijuana possession are much more dangerous and unhealthy. Prison is violence, and lets drop the Newspeak: arrests result in prison. Its time to end Prohibition. Its time to legalize it.

Chris Hayes nailed it last night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-tsyNXmDEo

Yet one more of many reasons to despise David Brooks.

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that NY laws regarding marijuana would directly conflict with Federal law is significant. As more states defy the Federal prohibition of marijuana, it creates more tension between the states and the USGOV. Eventually with enough tension of this kind, Congress will have enough political cover to actually do something.

Their isn't actually any conflict between state and federal laws, as there is nothing in the federal laws that requires states to make marijuana illegal. The whole idea of a legal conflict is just a conservative talking point.

The conflict has nothing to do with the federal government requiring the state government to outlaw marijuana. The conflict is, possessing, selling, or in any other way distributing marijuana is a federal offense. From the Controlled Substances Act [1]

"§ 844. Penalties for simple possession.

"(a) Unlawful acts; penalties "It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly or intentionally to possess a controlled substance unless such substance was obtained directly, or pursuant to a valid prescription or order, from a practitioner, while acting in the course of his professional practice, or except as otherwise authorized by this subchapter or subchapter II of this chapter. Any person who violates this subsection may be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not more than 1 year, and shall be fined a minimum of $1,000, or both, except that if he commits such offense after a prior conviction under this subchapter or subchapter II of this chapter, or a prior conviction for any drug or narcotic offense chargeable under the law of any State, has become final, he shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment for not less than 15 days but not more than 2 years, and shall be fined a minimum of $2,500, except, further, that if he commits such offense after two or more prior convictions under this subchapter or subchapter II of this chapter, or two or more prior convictions for any drug or narcotic offense chargeable under the law of any State, or a combination of two or more such offenses have become final, he shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment for not less than 90 days but not more than 3 years, and shall be fined a minimum of $5,000. Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, a person convicted under this subsection for the possession of a mixture or substance which contains cocaine base shall be imprisoned not less than 5 years and not more than 20 years, and fined a minimum of $1,000, if the conviction is a first conviction under this subsection and the amount of the mixture or substance exceeds 5 grams, if the conviction is after a prior conviction for the possession of such a mixture or substance under this subsection becomes final and the amount of the mixture or substance exceeds 3 grams, or if the conviction is after 2 or more prior convictions for the possession of such a mixture or substance under this subsection become final and the amount of the mixture or substance exceeds 1 gram. The imposition or execution of a minimum sentence required to be imposed under this subsection shall not be suspended or deferred. Further, upon conviction, a person who violates this subsection shall be fined the reasonable costs of the investigation and prosecution of the offense, including the costs of prosecution of an offense as defined in sections 1918 and 1920 of title 28, except that this sentence shall not apply and a fine under this section need not be imposed if the court determines under the provision of title 18 that the defendant lacks the ability to pay."

1. http://www.fda.gov/regulatoryinformation/legislation/ucm1487...

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post #37

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> I've on multiple occasions been on a UK street, witnessed a very strong smell of weed with police officers walking along near me, and had them do nothing. Whether or not you get busted depends on the personal opinions of the police officer.

Sure, that's why I wouldn't take the risk myself :)

I hardly ever smoke it in public, and most cops I have come across don't seem to be that relaxed.

> but I've stood in the centre of Antwerp smoking a joint chatting to a police officer

Did you offer him next up?

Re: New York State Is Set to Loosen Marijuana Laws

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post #43

Coloradan here. No matter how dangerous and unhealthy you think marijuana is, confrontational relations with law enforcement and pre-trial detention for marijuana possession are much more dangerous and unhealthy. Prison is violence, and lets drop the Newspeak: arrests result in prison. Its time to end Prohibition. Its time to legalize it.

It's extremely unlikely you'll get prison for marijuana possession. Stop spreading propaganda. http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/lists/top-10-marijuana-m...

Unless you're a black teenager living in the inner city and you rub the police the wrong way, in that case you're proper fucked.
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