I just don't understand why this post and discussion is being censored? Any one know why it just went from #3 to off the front page in under 5 minutes?
Do Women Only Initiatives Really Help Women?
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1. Men run everything. 2. Men often don't think of women as human. 3. Women are under attack by men. I don't think these points are controversial. 1. Women are 50% of the workforce, but 4.5% of fortune 1000 CEO positions. 2. Women didn't get the right to vote in America until 50 years after black people, who were officially only partially human. 3. Is a characterization.
1. I can just as easily claim that most of those companies are owned by old people. Does this mean we, as a society, discriminate against young people? I'm not arguing that sexism used to be a big issue back when most of the companies you're using as an example were created. I'm saying that nowadays, it is an issue that I doubt is as legitimate as women groups and similar make it out to be. 2. Same reasoning as above…
>1. I can just as easily claim that most of those companies are owned by old people.
Yes, you can. I would argue that being older means that you have had the time to accumulate skills, experience, and connections. What does being a man give you? Upper body strength?
>2. Same reasoning as above.
I missed that reasoning. Most companies are owned by old people (something that I'm not even sure is true), therefore there's no sexism?
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
The data isn't about when you enroll but when you graduate.
I am sorry if this isnt clear but you are talking about professors at universities and people who are enrolling I dont see the link?
Well, many college students don't settle on a degree for the first year or two and it's pretty normal to switch majors. If you get through a few courses and there are no women role models in the department, I would guess that more women than men would switch to something else.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. Men run everything. 2. Men often don't think of women as human. 3. Women are under attack by men. I don't think these points are controversial. 1. Women are 50% of the workforce, but 4.5% of fortune 1000 CEO positions. 2. Women didn't get the right to vote in America until 50 years after black people, who were officially only partially human. 3. Is a characterization.
Here's some official government sources to go along with this discussion. Women earn the majority of bachelors, masters and doctorates: http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=72 Women live longer than men: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf More women in the workforce have degrees than men: http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/education/c... And some non government research papers…
Stop bringing rational and critical thinking to this debate, you obviously haven't checked your privilege or heard of the patriarchy.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Computing is a very young field. It's well on its way to infiltrating our everyday lives, but it's incredibly underdeveloped. Leaving women out of the process of creating the world we're going to live in seems like a really bad idea.
The garbage man and the bus driver see little benefit from the latest SV IPO. How about a program to encourage people to move into higher potential roles and keep an eye out for implementors giving unfair benefit to one gender/class/whatever.
Even as a young white male, I don't see much benefit from it either :) I like your idea though!
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#86Why does no one care how many men are in hairdressing, finger nail painting, child care, teaching and so on?
Because they aren't considered to be as desirable of jobs? Same reason women aren't generally complaining that they're not as well represented in coal mining, oil rigs, construction, etc.
With the exception of teaching in your examples, nobody really cares that there exist jobs that tend to attract one gender over another. What matters is if the better jobs only attract one gender.
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#87I just don't understand why this post and discussion is being censored? Any one know why it just went from #3 to off the front page in under 5 minutes?
It doesnt fit with the social justice warrior narrative.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not necessarily, although it does worry me that the ratio is declining. Specifically, computer-related fields make more than average amount of money, so getting women into tech would help reduce income inequality and associated issues in our society. But here my specific point is: tech fields would be better off with more women!
Why would the tech field be better off with more women?
There isn't a fixed amount of tech work to be done. Adding more capable people (of any gender or background) increases the size of the pie.
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#89When Nixon went to China people said it took Nixon to go to China, implying only someone obviously anti-communist could go there without being labeled a communist. Likewise, no man could say " Women in 21st century American cities are the privileged of the privileged ," as the woman who wrote that article wrote, without being lambasted. I don't know if I would say it so strongly, but the once-standard view that men s…
Do men dominate homelessness, or do old women and single mothers with children? I'd be interested in any links you have. also: >Women are successful in the West In what way? >more of them get college degrees, Oh, that actually is pretty good. >they live longer, Didn't they always? That's just biology, isn't it? >no law forces them to register for the military (in the U.S. at least), That's not a success of women, tha…
That's not a success of women, that's just a sexist (and common) law.
Yet when was the last time you saw feminist and women's organizations actively campaigning for more females to register in the military and fight in the battlefield? Practically never, from my experience. Last time I saw it mentioned was an activist who was insisting on diluting military training to make it more accessible to women, which... is not a solution, I hope you realize that.
But for the most part, it's never discussed. After all, war is hell. If women are not encouraged to go out and die, that's a big advantage, even if a technically sexist one. It's an example of sexism that is actually beneficial to the group that experiences it. Why would they want to fix it?
Because they don't commit nearly as much crime? I don't understand this at all.
That or they get more lenient sentencing: https://etd.ohiolink.edu/ap:10:0::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:49114
Also: "Interestingly, among women, white female defendants receive more severe sentence outcomes than black females."
Yup. More would be even better.
I guess they would if you value short-term hacks that give specific advantages to a group over actual long-term solutions.
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#90When Nixon went to China people said it took Nixon to go to China, implying only someone obviously anti-communist could go there without being labeled a communist. Likewise, no man could say " Women in 21st century American cities are the privileged of the privileged ," as the woman who wrote that article wrote, without being lambasted. I don't know if I would say it so strongly, but the once-standard view that men s…
Do men dominate homelessness, or do old women and single mothers with children? I'd be interested in any links you have. also: >Women are successful in the West In what way? >more of them get college degrees, Oh, that actually is pretty good. >they live longer, Didn't they always? That's just biology, isn't it? >no law forces them to register for the military (in the U.S. at least), That's not a success of women, tha…
Regarding homelessness: http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/who.html
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Most studies show that single homeless adults are more likely to be male than female. In 2007, a survey by the U.S. Conference of Mayors found that of the population surveyed 35% of the homeless people who are members of households with children are male while 65% of these people are females. However, 67.5% of the single homeless population is male, and it is this single population that makes up 76% of the homeless populations surveyed (U.S. Conference of Mayors, 2007).
EDIT: Another: http://www.societyhealth.vcu.edu/Page.aspx?nav=29&scope=0&so...
Most homeless adults are men, but most homeless adults with children are women.