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How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by elvinmelvin »

3stripe wrote: post #11

Funny headline... you don't create samples, you take samples

the final product of the sample taken produced a newly created track. at least for sake of brevity, created seems acceptable in this context. it also probably is a good way of conceptualizing the legal issues involved (©) when an artist manipulates a sample enough to create a new derivative work so distinct that it ought be deemed a separate entity from the original. These legal limits are still being tested but after watching the video, i like the idea of looking at this manipulation as a form of creation rather than simply "taking". your legal millage may vary.

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by JonnieCache »

3stripe wrote: post #20
3stripe wrote: post #11

Funny headline... you don't create samples, you take samples

Why was this downvoted?

Because it's tedious semantic quibbling, and it's not even correct. One samples a record, by doing this one creates a sample in ones sampler. One then plays this sample in a record of ones own, just like you would any other instrument or sound. You will likely manipulate the sample, like in the video, and then you will have created a new sample.

This isn't very clear in the video, because the editing process in modern software is very non destructive, so you never actually "make" a new sample. In the more primitive hardware of the past, the process is much more explicit.

If you have some other point to make about creative/artistic legitimacy, you should just make it.

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by 3stripe »

elvinmelvin wrote: post #21
3stripe wrote: post #11

Funny headline... you don't create samples, you take samples

the final product of the sample taken produced a newly created track. at least for sake of brevity, created seems acceptable in this context. it also probably is a good way of conceptualizing the legal issues involved (©) when an artist manipulates a sample enough to create a new derivative work so distinct that it ought be deemed a separate entity from the original. These legal limits are still being tested but afte…

Agreed, so the sample is taken/used to create something new. I'm not saying that sampling is not creative, and I've done it myself on plenty of tracks.

But a sample only becomes creative after it is taken. You can't 'create' a sample because it is just a snippet of audio.

As the article says, it's about "building songs from samples".

I'm not being pedantic by the way.. I just see the person who 'created' the sample as the original recording artist.

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by schrijver »

wikiburner wrote: post #16
granfalloon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to get permission from the copyright holder, which has gotten substantially more expensive over the years. Hip hop tracks back in the 80s and early 90s used to contain loads of different samples all mashed together, but it slowed down a bit after people started suing. Nowadays sampling isn't quite as popular, and sampled tracks don't usually use more than one or two samples. The rapper Fabolous had a hit son…

For non-commercial use, can an artist sample without legal threat? For example, if an artist is just posting 80s style tracks with dozens of uncleared samples on their website free for their fans to download, doesn't fair use allow for it?

This depends on the jurisdiction also. The concept of ‘Fair use’ does not exist in European copyright law, which makes any sampling without permission a potential copyright infringement.

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by 3stripe »

JonnieCache wrote: post #22
3stripe wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why was this downvoted?

Because it's tedious semantic quibbling, and it's not even correct. One samples a record, by doing this one creates a sample in ones sampler. One then plays this sample in a record of ones own, just like you would any other instrument or sound. You will likely manipulate the sample, like in the video, and then you will have created a new sample. This isn't very clear in the video, because the editing process in moder…

So by your description, if it was really about how Daft Punk 'created' that sample, the article would just be a description of how they plugged a record player into a sampler and pressed the record button.

Which it clearly isn't.

Hence my first comment.

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by JonnieCache »

3stripe wrote: post #25
JonnieCache wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's tedious semantic quibbling, and it's not even correct. One samples a record, by doing this one creates a sample in ones sampler. One then plays this sample in a record of ones own, just like you would any other instrument or sound. You will likely manipulate the sample, like in the video, and then you will have created a new sample. This isn't very clear in the video, because the editing process in moder…

So by your description, if it was really about how Daft Punk 'created' that sample, the article would just be a description of how they plugged a record player into a sampler and pressed the record button. Which it clearly isn't. Hence my first comment.

I guess it sounds like you're pretending not to understand what is a fairly simple linguistic ambiguity, in order to start and then win a boring argument.

Sorry if this sounds mean, but you did ask.

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by wavesounds »

If you're into this stuff here's a great video of someone making Daft Punks' Robot Rock as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SOmZibK57M

It's got more detail explaining how to do things and shows all the keys he presses too. Shout out to the people who made Ableton, it's great software.

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by f00_ »

3stripe wrote: post #25
JonnieCache wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's tedious semantic quibbling, and it's not even correct. One samples a record, by doing this one creates a sample in ones sampler. One then plays this sample in a record of ones own, just like you would any other instrument or sound. You will likely manipulate the sample, like in the video, and then you will have created a new sample. This isn't very clear in the video, because the editing process in moder…

So by your description, if it was really about how Daft Punk 'created' that sample, the article would just be a description of how they plugged a record player into a sampler and pressed the record button. Which it clearly isn't. Hence my first comment.

Even if you didn't read that, you must at some point come to the conclusion the word "sample" is a bit ambiguous and might have many contexts and uses wouldn't you? Trying to make yourself feel smart by making a witty one liner, which in all fairness was unjustified, won't win you any awards.
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