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Elite Hacker Barnaby Jack 'overdosed on drugs'

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Re: Elite Hacker Barnaby Jack 'overdosed on drugs'

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Post by rdl »

joshstrange wrote: post #27
rdl wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

JFC, have you never been to a hacker con? Drinking and drug use is not exactly rare.

No, I have never been to one before. I was just asking a question, sorry if it was a stupid one.

We can't prove that he wasn't killed by space aliens. On the other hand, the explanation is on its face quite plausible, and the level of evidence which would need to have been fabricated to support another theory is far beyond the plausible benefit to anyone in misleading the public as to his cause of death.

Drug and alcohol use, even to "dangerous" levels, is probably 20-30% of the high-profile people in the hacker scene (or, really, people in the tech scene in SFBA in general), at the very least. If Barnaby were a known teetotaler, one of the hundreds of people who knew him pretty well would have stepped forward. Given that they haven't, you can assess with high confidence that this is what it looks like, rather than a grand conspiracy.

Re: Elite Hacker Barnaby Jack 'overdosed on drugs'

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Post by rdl »

wsc981 wrote: post #20
realo wrote: post #4

Heroine, cocaine _and_ a cocktail of other drugs? And the guy is a top notch hacker about to embarrass some pretty powerful conglomerates? Sorry but I don't care how many bottles of champagne were in the room trash bin. This has MURDER written all over. For the curious, here is an interesting story which might, or might not, be relevant: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/suspicious_deaths_scie...

This story reminded me a bit about the death of UK hacker Gareth Willams[0], who worked for the secret service. [0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams

"Gym bag" was a suspicious death ("we've shown he couldn't have died in this way, but this is how he died", basically). Barnaby Jack really wasn't.

Re: Elite Hacker Barnaby Jack 'overdosed on drugs'

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Post by Zigurd »

realo wrote: post #4

Heroine, cocaine _and_ a cocktail of other drugs? And the guy is a top notch hacker about to embarrass some pretty powerful conglomerates? Sorry but I don't care how many bottles of champagne were in the room trash bin. This has MURDER written all over. For the curious, here is an interesting story which might, or might not, be relevant: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/suspicious_deaths_scie...

On top of all that, I did not anywhere that they tested his blood for the presence of drugs. The statement you are quoting started with "Symptoms of."

Yeah. That's sketchy and probably outside the parameters of a proper investigation.

Re: Elite Hacker Barnaby Jack 'overdosed on drugs'

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Post by Zigurd »

pionar wrote: post #19
benaston wrote: post #3

Did those close to him know/suspect drug use before his death? Just trying to gauge the plausibility of the accidental overdose theory.

According to the medical examiner's report[0], Jack's girlfriend and a friend told the investigators that he "would take opiates and use Xanax," and that he "would drink and occasionally use cocaine". So the answer is yes. [0] http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3803095/barnaby_jack_autopsy...

So the ME tested for the presence of these in his blood?

Re: Elite Hacker Barnaby Jack 'overdosed on drugs'

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Post by jnardiello »

sillysaurus2 wrote: post #8

His physical symptoms indicated an accidental overdose of heroin, cocaine, and prescription drugs. The report said Mr Jack's girlfriend had found him lying in bed unresponsive, with "multiple bottles of beer and champagne in the garbage can". Mr Jack's death occurred shortly before he was due to demonstrate how heart implants could be hacked at the Black Hat security conference in Las Vegas. This is an awful tragedy,…

Cocaine can be injected. As well as any other substance. Drive him unconscious somehow (someone could push him drunk enough and sneak into his room. Then using some anesthetic totally unconscious), inject a lethal dose of drugs, cocaine and heroin. Now get out of the room somehow, either from the door or jumping out of the window.

Ignoring the jumping out of the window part, seems quite plausible. Never trust girls that you meet at the pub, especially if they look interested in you and you are a computer guy.

Re: Elite Hacker Barnaby Jack 'overdosed on drugs'

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Post by lgieron »

jnardiello wrote: post #36
sillysaurus2 wrote: post #8

His physical symptoms indicated an accidental overdose of heroin, cocaine, and prescription drugs. The report said Mr Jack's girlfriend had found him lying in bed unresponsive, with "multiple bottles of beer and champagne in the garbage can". Mr Jack's death occurred shortly before he was due to demonstrate how heart implants could be hacked at the Black Hat security conference in Las Vegas. This is an awful tragedy,…

Cocaine can be injected. As well as any other substance. Drive him unconscious somehow (someone could push him drunk enough and sneak into his room. Then using some anesthetic totally unconscious), inject a lethal dose of drugs, cocaine and heroin. Now get out of the room somehow, either from the door or jumping out of the window. Ignoring the jumping out of the window part, seems quite plausible. Never trust girls t…

> Never trust girls that you meet at the pub, especially if they look interested in you and you are a computer guy.

A recipe for an amazing life.

Re: Elite Hacker Barnaby Jack 'overdosed on drugs'

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Post by ramblerman »

realo wrote: post #4

Heroine, cocaine _and_ a cocktail of other drugs? And the guy is a top notch hacker about to embarrass some pretty powerful conglomerates? Sorry but I don't care how many bottles of champagne were in the room trash bin. This has MURDER written all over. For the curious, here is an interesting story which might, or might not, be relevant: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/suspicious_deaths_scie...

sigh really?

mixing heroin and cocaine is called a speedball. One is an upper and the other a downer, much like a cigarette and coffee can be combined.

It is certainly not that uncommon for people to combine drugs. Unfortunately death is not uncommon either. River phoenix and John Belushi famously died of speedballs.

But I'm guessing you'll believe whatever you want.

Re: Elite Hacker Barnaby Jack 'overdosed on drugs'

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Post by [deleted] »

realo wrote: post #4

Heroine, cocaine _and_ a cocktail of other drugs? And the guy is a top notch hacker about to embarrass some pretty powerful conglomerates? Sorry but I don't care how many bottles of champagne were in the room trash bin. This has MURDER written all over. For the curious, here is an interesting story which might, or might not, be relevant: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/suspicious_deaths_scie...

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Re: Elite Hacker Barnaby Jack 'overdosed on drugs'

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Post by at-fates-hands »

jnardiello wrote: post #36
sillysaurus2 wrote: post #8

His physical symptoms indicated an accidental overdose of heroin, cocaine, and prescription drugs. The report said Mr Jack's girlfriend had found him lying in bed unresponsive, with "multiple bottles of beer and champagne in the garbage can". Mr Jack's death occurred shortly before he was due to demonstrate how heart implants could be hacked at the Black Hat security conference in Las Vegas. This is an awful tragedy,…

Cocaine can be injected. As well as any other substance. Drive him unconscious somehow (someone could push him drunk enough and sneak into his room. Then using some anesthetic totally unconscious), inject a lethal dose of drugs, cocaine and heroin. Now get out of the room somehow, either from the door or jumping out of the window. Ignoring the jumping out of the window part, seems quite plausible. Never trust girls t…

Very similar to how people feel Curt Cobain was "murdered". Conspiracy people say the amount of heroin in his system would have rendered him unable to pull the trigger on the shotgun.

Also, your movie scenario has actually happened before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mab...

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