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Senator presses NSA to reveal whether it spies on members of Congress

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Re: Senator presses NSA to reveal whether it spies on members of Congress

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I wonder if I can do the same thing with the MPAA:

well, yes I downloaded all those movies, but I haven't watched any of them. Really, if I decide to watch one, there is a process by which I purchase it first. Promise. It's not infringement unless I actually WATCH the movie.

Re: Senator presses NSA to reveal whether it spies on members of Congress

#52

Does anyone feel more reticent than usual to chime in on these threads despite this being one of the most provocative topics on HN? Asking for a friend...

No, I don't. I admit that I very occasionally think twice about saying some things.

Actually I think writing about the NSA in forums like this, and in email, is the only effective way I have at trying to convince the analysts and spies that they're doing the wrong thing. [You listening, analyst spy?]

Re: Senator presses NSA to reveal whether it spies on members of Congress

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I said the point was to have an answer on record. The point is not to have the truth on record; that has never been useful.

So then, how is having an answer on record going to be useful?

Slowly accumulating outrage on the part of Congress and the people, one could hope.

Re: Senator presses NSA to reveal whether it spies on members of Congress

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, for those who have missed it: Obama was being surveilled as well, before being elected: http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/19/podcast-show-112-... Which means Obama may effectively be a puppet (if you compare his promises and reality, it sure looks like it). And that would then mean that no future President would be able to start limiting the growing corruption, with the NSA in power.

> Which means Obama may effectively be a puppet Effectively? Nobody gets the backing of a major party for his nomination, donations, etc, without being thorougly screened and vetoed that they'll "do the right thing" to continue supporting several interests (partisan, financial, political, etc). It's not like parties do all this gerrymandering and political games to then allow some loose canon President to realy chang…

The difference is that when the puppetmasters are two political parties in competition to each other, they have adapt their positions to popular opinion or else their puppets loose power and become worthless. When the puppetmasters are the NSA, then they do not need to adapt their posistions, because regardless of the election, they still have puppets.

Re: Senator presses NSA to reveal whether it spies on members of Congress

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This was actually central to a scandal that happened a few years ago involving former congresswoman Jane Harman. The allegations claiming that she was caught red-handed in impropriety were based on NSA transcripts.[1,2]

Also, somewhat unrelated yet interesting: Harman authored an op-ed in the Washington Post a couple months ago.[3] It seems she primarily railed against the NSA, while simultaneously failing to disclose her obvious conflict of interest, and took a parting shot at Snowden in the process.

[1] http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/04/jane-harm...

[2] http://www.salon.com/2009/04/20/harman/ (Gleen Greenwald authored this piece.)

[3] http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/security-policies-for...

Re: Senator presses NSA to reveal whether it spies on members of Congress

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, spying of congress (and the president, judges, etc) does seem much more concerning then spying on most citizens, as it would allow them to break the checks on their power that those bodies should provide. In fact, one of the largest concerns I have heard about surveleince is that it would allow them to blackmail politicians.

> In fact, one of the largest concerns I have heard about surveleince is that it would allow them to blackmail politicians Would? That has been standard fair at least since the days of J.E Hoover.

And the technology keeps evolving.

Re: Senator presses NSA to reveal whether it spies on members of Congress

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[citation needed]

Congress is exempt from insider trading laws and many forms of arrest. A quick google search will reveal this.

Not anymore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STOCK_Act

Re: Senator presses NSA to reveal whether it spies on members of Congress

#60

This is brilliant. This is how we'll get legislation passed reigning in the NSA. Elected officials will wake up and ask "Wait, you mean they're spying on ME?!"

In fairness, spying of congress (and the president, judges, etc) does seem much more concerning then spying on most citizens, as it would allow them to break the checks on their power that those bodies should provide. In fact, one of the largest concerns I have heard about surveleince is that it would allow them to blackmail politicians.

> In fact, one of the largest concerns I have heard about surveleince is that it would allow them to blackmail politicians.

Considering the NSA is recording the content of everything, let's be honest, over time they accumulate blackmail material on everyone.

This applies to elected officials, and people who haven't even decided to run yet.

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