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Re: Ask HN: Why did this post cost me 10% of subscribers?

#41
It's entirely possible that your post just tripped a lot of people's "Oh, it's the end of the year, I should clean out my subscriptions".

That said...

A quick reading suggests that your message is "choose work, because that means you are doing what you care about (work)". Even if that isn't capturing the subtlety of your message, that's probably what most took away from it.

The "work work work" message doesn't go down well these days, especially because the zeitgeist is that companies are squeezing us folks dry. Asking people to bring their work into every facet of their lives is a bit much, to be honest--and I'm saying this as someone who does just that.

A message of "do what you are passionate about", or "take pride in your work", or pretty much anything else would have gone better; otherwise, you come across as "become worker drone beep boop".

Read The Jungle for a good perspective on how focusing on your work screws you.

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Some miscellaneous gripes:

Use an Oxford comma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_comma) in your sidebar about snippet:

"...for happiness, integrity and success." => "...for happiness, integrity, and success."

The choice of light-grey-white in the bottom of your about page is brutal--especially the "Me around the web". Why not use the little badges everyone is used to there, anyways, or in your sidebar?

Your about page also has the worst-formatted quote (from Chuck Palahniuk, no less, who would laugh at your article I think) block I've seen in a while. You need to set the author's name off from the text, and fix the top padding. Fixing the colors wouldn't hurt either.

Also, the picture in your sidebar can best be described as 'slackjawed', the hover version 'imbecillic'. If you're trying to write about how to become rich, famous, and fulfilled, I'd suggest not looking like a stereotypical college kid/PFY.

Re: Ask HN: Why did this post cost me 10% of subscribers?

#42
I believe that people is starting to get sick of this over-narcisistic trend in blogging where you imply that you are a genious because you cracked X secret of life and you are going to share it with the less enlightened masses. Its going to backfire unless you provide a truly genius or novel insight.

Re: Ask HN: Why did this post cost me 10% of subscribers?

#43
With all due respect I can absolutely see why many people would no longer be interested in your opinions after such a self-centered post. This might be the path to achieving something big, but it also the path to loneliness. If you can't take off for even 15 minutes at a meal to talk about what's important for your family, then you can't expect them to really care about your work either.

"At dinner, have a great meal with your loving ones and tell them what’s going on with work."

I can only think what Freud might. They might be loving but they're not loved and they won't be loving for long.

It is the content that might disturb folks, not your English. That you don't perceive this might be part of the problem.

Re: Ask HN: Why did this post cost me 10% of subscribers?

#44
I remembering being told something very similar about university. But I got the degree and it was nothing to me. Achieving hard things is not innately rewarding, at least not for everyone. Maybe it's rewarding if your goal is meaningful, but how many people honestly have meaningful jobs? Wiring in another CRUD app? Shoot me now.

If people enjoyed their work that much, they wouldn't probably need you to advise them to do it. For someone who's struggling with their work life balance, it's far from clear that 'Work more!' is the answer to their happiness.

I know that, before I started only seriously coding a few hours a day and taking three day weekends, and spending the rest of the time on less focused stuff like meetings and planning and mentoring our newbies (favourite work-related activity), I basically had to take a long break from working every couple of years just to recuperate; get my mental ducks in a line, do some stuff that has nothing to do with work. Something I worry that you may not realise is that, for some people, focus and creativity are finite resources.

What fuels those resources? Well, it seems to vary. Among other things, I enjoy swimming, reading fan-fiction of varying quality, and martial arts. I don't think I could function as a programmer if I didn't do those things.

There was a time - back with the open-plan office coincidentally - when I didn't. When I was just getting into programming and it was all work work work. Sure, I'll pull the weekend, sure I'll help with this. I just wanted to make people happy.

Eventually I noticed I was tired all the time, and my creativity and all the fun ideas I used to have just weren't there for me any more. I even stopped dreaming, and feeling emotionally connected to people. Not in a metaphorical sense, I was just so mentally knackered that I went to sleep and woke up in the morning with the impression no time had passed and not even a fleeting image of what I'd been dreaming. People would smile at me and it didn't make me feel happy any more.

Would the answer for me really have been to work more?

Your advice may be very good for some people, but in so far as you don't know everyone, it's probably a bit risky in terms of how people are going to respond to tell everyone to do it.

Would I have unsubscribed? No, not if I found what you were saying in other respects worthwhile - I understand that you probably just want to help people and that's a nice thing, so I'd go with the benefit of the doubt rather than the content of the post. (Like when someone wishes me Merry Christmas - so what if I'm not a Christian? They want me to be happy, so Merry Christmas too!) But not everyone's going to see it like that, and writing it as more like, "What I've found make me happy at the moment." Potentially offers less that someone might take offence to if it's harder to read it as a statement about how you think they should live their lives. ^_^

Re: Ask HN: Why did this post cost me 10% of subscribers?

#45
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider myself to have a good life. I'm not always in the office working, and I actually spend a lot of time working out and taking care of my best friends and meeting new people. I only try to minimize doing what in nothing contributes to my life or the others around me. That's why, for example, I like to read books that in someway intersect what I do in my job. But that doesn't mean that I never try new stuff an…

Not having kids and only recently being in a relationship makes your life situation quite different from the majority of people out there. People only listen to advice that they can relate to. Imagine a monk giving sex advice ;-P

Ahaha Good example to make your point.

Re: Ask HN: Why did this post cost me 10% of subscribers?

#48
post #9

OP, do you have a family (e.g. significant other, kids)? The post reads a bit preachy. When I read this, I think: the only type of person who would recommend this lifestyle is an early 20-something male who doesn't have much else going in their lives. That may or may not be correct (and it shows as much about my own personal bias as it does about the post), and even if it is correct, that's not a bad thing since if t…

I consider myself to have a good life. I'm not always in the office working, and I actually spend a lot of time working out and taking care of my best friends and meeting new people. I only try to minimize doing what in nothing contributes to my life or the others around me. That's why, for example, I like to read books that in someway intersect what I do in my job. But that doesn't mean that I never try new stuff an…

Daniel, you seem as though you have good intentions, but allow me to give a word of advice - feel free to take it or leave it.

You say you just got in a relationship. If you want it to work - choose the relationship more than you choose work. I know from experience, because I used to have a similar mentality. It goes something like this:

If I want to have the most fulfilling life possible, I should make "progress" every day. I feel as though I have the capability and drive to be the best, so I have the responsibility to be the best. If I'm not working, there is someone else out there who is working, and that means I'm "wasting time". Relaxing = being lazy.

Those people who just socialize and play video games? How can they not see how much time they are wasting on a meaningless life! Everyone should spend their time doing things that are "productive" to better their skillset. Otherwise, they are lazy and unmotivated.

Simply put- this is being a workaholic. Through college, I was the same way, and it cost me a lot of missed opportunities. The most dangerous workaholic is one who thinks that it's healthy and good for them.

Don't get me wrong - be motivated, enjoy what you do, etc. But have balance. I was fortunate enough to meet my (now wife) who showed me that it's ok to take a break. It's not "being unproductive" or "wasting time" - it's building a relationship. It's ok (and often necessary) to drop everything and spend time focused on making the relationship better.

In your post, you mentioned Mr. Walton. Let's briefly talk about him. While I don't know if the source is true (ref. needed), Consider this post [1] that talks about his last words: "I blew it". While it's my opinion, I strongly believe you can make a bigger impact in this world through the relationships you build as opposed to the work you do.

So, it's great that you're motivated and driven - it means you'll be good at whatever you do. But don't think poorly of those who do things differently, and put their efforts into different outlets. It doesn't mean they're somehow less productive of a person than you. In fact, I would recommend working to break away from the workaholic mentality. Just like forcing yourself to get a good night's sleep, it will be tough at first, and you will feel like your "being unproductive", but it will make your relationship - and your life - much better.

[1] http://upstart.bizjournals.com/resources/executive-forum/201...

Re: Ask HN: Why did this post cost me 10% of subscribers?

#49
post #14

I would unsubscribe too, because I quite disagree with this viewpoint. I agree with the basic idea that humans need to do stuff to be happy - but not work necessarily. Taking care of kids is also doing something. Making a nice meal instead of microwaving, is also doing something. Those things bring satisfaction as well.

Ok. But I don't say the contrary - doing those things can also make you happy. But using our job to achieve our life goals is one of the best ways to achieve happiness, in my opinion. Thank you

It just feels to me like you are over elevating the prestige of "our job". What life goals do you have if all you do is work? I do like taking solace in my job and just shutting out the world sometimes. Otherwise I enjoy concerts, travel, family, cooking/cuisine, woodworking, mechanics, gardening, reading novels, learning about art, botany, physics, rocket science, camping, fishing, hunting, and so many more things.

Accomplishment can be achieved in so many ways. A life spent only working seems like such a waste. Dying people generally don't regret the things they did do but instead the things they didn't do.

Go live. Life is such an amazing thing to experience. There are so many sights, sounds, smells, and experiences to be had. I can't justify not attempting to discover as many as I possibly can in the short, insignificant span of time that I will be here. Putting yourself in new, uncomfortable situations will increase your creativity way beyond what working and reading technical books could even come close to.

Re: Ask HN: Why did this post cost me 10% of subscribers?

#50

The problem is you appear to live in a fantasy land. I only read the second paragraph, but it is one of the stupidest things I've ever read (sorry, that is a harsh thing to say, but I think this requires a reply this strong). "Work from the moment you wake up until you go to sleep. Take your breakfast while reviewing your to-do list for the day. Work a few hours. At lunch, discuss with your team what’s the best solut…

Do not forget what happened when people took PG's words out of context and judged them in haste just a few days ago. I urge you to go back and read the full article as well as the author's comments here before passing judgment. I think everyone deserves at least to be heard out.

I should have said more clearly, that my aim was to give a raw dump of my opinions of reading the article, answering the question "Why did this post lose me 10% of subscribers", including just stopping after 2 paragraphs.

I'm sure that Daniel Flopes (who I don't know) is a nice guy, and my quick reading of one blog post do not do him justice. However, the beginning of this article really does (to me) almost read like a parody.

Looking back at the original article, we do (eventually) get to the point where we get to "take a break" and have hobbies and holidays, but the start doesn't say that, and I would have stopped before I got to that point. We then however get into an article about how one person (Sam Walton) we are told (with no reference) worked every day, and became very successful. There are (of course) plenty of people who became successful without never talking to their families, and plenty of people who worked themselves into an early grave.

The other problem with this blog post is that it is written in a strange style, saying (for example) "Forget the idea about how much fun others are getting in the Caribbean Islands. You choosed work. Your life is work.". I'm not clear why the author of this blog thinks I chose work, why my life is work? I think this is an issue of the wrong tense being used, or an unusual writing style, but I get unhappy when I am being told false statements about my life.

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