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Losing Aaron: Bob Swartz on MIT's role in his son's death

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Re: Losing Aaron: Bob Swartz on MIT's role in his son's death

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What's clear is that the prosecution only got out of control once it got into the hands of the federal government, at which point Ortiz and Heymann threw the book at Swartz when he wouldn't take a plea deal.

Swartz's death was the result of institutional failure. The criminal justice system and more broadly the US government are very sick institutions if their standard operating procedures can result in a tragedy like this.

Re: Losing Aaron: Bob Swartz on MIT's role in his son's death

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What were MIT's obligations to Aaron? While there is a whole lot that MIT could've done to help Aaron (even if only just taking the JSTOR route and stating they were backing off entirely) and that would've been commendable, I don't really see why MIT had an obligation to help Aaron, so I have a hard time holding MIT morally culpable. If anything, I'd think screwed up laws and an overzealous prosecution are the real i…

I don't really see why MIT had an obligation to help Aaron

The Abelson report's take on this (with which I basically agree) is that, while MIT perhaps had no "obligation", it certainly missed an opportunity to use its position to educate the US government about a technical area in which the government is, to put it bluntly, clueless.

Re: Losing Aaron: Bob Swartz on MIT's role in his son's death

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MIT clearly did something wrong here... The Secret Service seemed to get involved by accident, due to the fact MIT do a lot of "Super secret stuff, that China want". MIT should have immediately moved to limit how seriously this was taken, when they understood who was perpetrating it (and why). Kind of like if a kid accidentally (because he didn't know it was one) spray pants the side of nuclear missile silo, we would…

MIT should have commented on that in their report.

Do you mean the Abelson report? That was published after the fact. (And it does address the issue you mention.)

Re: Losing Aaron: Bob Swartz on MIT's role in his son's death

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I wouldn't call MIT "responsible" as that would open the door to a world of "look what you made me do" thinking. It is sad that MIT had a chance to be differnet than the paranoid schizophrenic mess that the US security apparatus has become and reaffirm themselves as champions of free thought and somewhat rebellious free thinking. They chose to do the opposite. That is very sad indeed.

Re: Losing Aaron: Bob Swartz on MIT's role in his son's death

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The closet was not locked, so there was no need to break into it. This is common knowledge about the case, also found in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#JSTOR

So is it your position that trespassing on other's property is now OK if they forget to lock the door?

Sampo is just stating the facts as far as I can tell.

Re: Losing Aaron: Bob Swartz on MIT's role in his son's death

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OK, then you would receive your share of the blame if that person killed themselves after being hounded by the prosecutors you aided.

So the US should stop prosecuting crimes if there is a worry that person might be mentally unstable?

We already factor mental stability into both sentencing and convictions.

Re: Losing Aaron: Bob Swartz on MIT's role in his son's death

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I also find the sentence Aaron faced to be excessive. For additional context, David Headley received a 35 year sentence for his active participation in the Mumbai bombings which killed 160 people.[1] The median sentence for murder and non-negligent manslaughter in the US (effective 2000) is 24 years, 3 months.[2] I can't help but find Aaron's prospective punishment to be far more abhorrent than his crimes. It continu…

It continues to sadden me that MIT used their influence in such a hurtful manner. I don't think this is a fair description; it would be fairer to say that MIT failed to use its influence in a helpful manner. (Even then I'm not sure it would have made a difference; it seems to me that the prosecutors were intent on "getting" Swartz and weren't listening to reasonable arguments for backing off.)

Whether it would have made a difference or not, the institution had the chance to act for what was right, and they did not.

Re: Losing Aaron: Bob Swartz on MIT's role in his son's death

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What would be a less strict university in USA, more libertarian, less police state if you would?

I know some of the people who run MIT's networks. They deal with a lot of ignorant jerks who would deserve to be turned into an example by an overzealous prosecutor. That's what makes the Swartz case baffling. I think someone got starstruck dealing with Federal Prosecutors and became a toady.

> Then there’s the chummy note from an IS & T security analyst who had worked closely with the Secret Service.

> On the day Aaron was indicted, the analyst emailed Heymann: “Nicely done Steve and kudos! …it’s just a true relief and very refreshing to see your accuracy and precision.”

Re: Losing Aaron: Bob Swartz on MIT's role in his son's death

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Because depressed, suicidal people kill themselves, usually when they're not facing prison? In 2007 Schwartz posted what was believed to be a suicide note after being fired from reddit: http://digitaljournal.com/article/341150

You could have easily said "I don't know that for sure" instead of posting irrelevant information.

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Re: Losing Aaron: Bob Swartz on MIT's role in his son's death

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It continues to sadden me that MIT used their influence in such a hurtful manner. I don't think this is a fair description; it would be fairer to say that MIT failed to use its influence in a helpful manner. (Even then I'm not sure it would have made a difference; it seems to me that the prosecutors were intent on "getting" Swartz and weren't listening to reasonable arguments for backing off.)

Whether it would have made a difference or not, the institution had the chance to act for what was right, and they did not.

True, but that's failing to use its influence helpfully; it's not the same as using influence hurtfully.
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