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Bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move

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Re: Bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move

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Post by Skinney »

Aqwis wrote: post #8

Oddly, both Bazaar, Git and Mercurial were created around March/April 2005. Why the sudden appearance of popular DVCSs around that time, and why did Bazaar fall behind the other two in popularity?

I think it was due to the free version of bitkeeper (which the Linux kernel used for vcs) was taken off market. So the Linux devs would either have to pay for a DVCS or make their own... Several made their own, Git was chosen for the kernel, alot of people found uses for the others. I could be wrong, but I think that's the case.

Re: Bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move

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Post by drunken_thor »

Aqwis wrote: post #8

Oddly, both Bazaar, Git and Mercurial were created around March/April 2005. Why the sudden appearance of popular DVCSs around that time, and why did Bazaar fall behind the other two in popularity?

If you read the article included in the post it says that git, mercurial and bazaar all came together because Bitkeeper stopped being free. Now as for why bazaar didnt get used so much even when supported by canonical is a mystery to me.

Re: Bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move

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Post by officemonkey »

crncosta wrote: post #7

"git won the mindshare war" Sad, but true...

They had two things going for it:

* Linus was using it for the kernel, so it became mature slightly faster (because it had more people's attention.)

* Github happened at the same time Sourceforge stopped being cool (this is the same time that Digg and Reddit started beating Slashdot.)

Re: Bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move

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Post by gizmogwai »

Aqwis wrote: post #8

Oddly, both Bazaar, Git and Mercurial were created around March/April 2005. Why the sudden appearance of popular DVCSs around that time, and why did Bazaar fall behind the other two in popularity?

All of them emerged due to the end of license agreement for a free license of bitkeeper for the linux kernel. Git won due mainly to Linus personnality and the rise of "social coding" via github. Bazaar failed because, at the beginning, it was painfully slow compare to git and mercurial. It speed has increase over time, but bad reputation is hard to get rid of.

Re: Bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move

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Post by rlpb »

iv_08 wrote: post #10
Aqwis wrote: post #8

Oddly, both Bazaar, Git and Mercurial were created around March/April 2005. Why the sudden appearance of popular DVCSs around that time, and why did Bazaar fall behind the other two in popularity?

Canonical mismanagement, contributor license agreement, missing manpower.

The article and the quite detailed bzr history it links to do not appear to suggest this at all. Can you provide any justification for your three claims?

Re: Bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move

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Post by stiff »

FWIW, just a few days ago I was browsing through the Emacs Bzr repository - after a full bzr clone, that took ridiculously long as well, a simple bzr blame takes 40-60 seconds to execute locally, and I have an SSD drive, four-core intel i7 and 8GB of RAM. I have never seen this kind of slowness with Git, with any repository size.

Re: Bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move

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Post by pcx »

Here is a previous discussion on emacs-devel from Mar'13 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-03/thread...

Stallman's opinion on this subject - http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-03/msg009...

TLDR Stallman doesn't want Emacs to give up on bzr (also a GNU project) yet. This opinion might change now though.

Re: Bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move

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Post by praptak »

Aqwis wrote: post #8

Oddly, both Bazaar, Git and Mercurial were created around March/April 2005. Why the sudden appearance of popular DVCSs around that time, and why did Bazaar fall behind the other two in popularity?

This is what happened, basically a huge "I told you so, proprietary software blows." for the Stallmans of this world: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/14/torvalds_attacks_tri...
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