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Colorado Stores Throw Open Their Doors to Pot Buyers

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Re: Colorado Stores Throw Open Their Doors to Pot Buyers

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Post by dasil003 »

rmc wrote: post #130
cookiecaper wrote: post #115

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There's still significant risk in grow operations because it's still a federal crime. The Obama administration has chosen not to enforce that law for the time being, but that can change on a moment's notice, and is likely to change if a conservative attains office (which will probably happen in 2016). Furthermore, even when done legally, there is significant regulatory burden on a state-sanctioned grow. You're correc…

Hang on, can you explain this to a European? How can something be legal and illegal?!

Isn't that precisely the situation of marijuana in the Netherlands?

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Post by Crito »

kbd wrote: post #160
Crito wrote: post #155

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Unsurprisingly, Christians frequently disagree with each other on matters of religion.

If you're going to try to invalidate what I wrote by "people disagree" then justify from the text where it says that drugs should be illegal and punishable by imprisonment.

The fact that there are many christians who do find religious reasons to oppose the consumption of alcohol invalidates what you wrote. You think there is nothing in the bible that is opposed to alcohol, but many people disagree. The existence of those people is the point.

This is your opinion: "FWIW there's nothing in the Bible about throwing people in jail for alcohol"

This is a fact: "Here in the south we [often] use [...] 3000 year old Judean religious texts when writing our [drug] laws."

I am not going to defend their beliefs to you; that is a religious discussion that I have absolutely no interest in. I am pointing out that those people do exist.

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Post by sliverstorm »

scardine wrote: post #147
sliverstorm wrote: post #134

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I like to compare it to beer rather than tea. You can make it for dirt cheap, but based on some research months ago, growing truly quality stuff is an art. So, like beer, I expect there will be Coors MJ, and there will be Microbrewery MJ. The former a baseline of reasonable quality for the price, the latter far nicer than anything John Doe can grow in his basement, probably complete with hydroponics and sophisticated…

I don't know where you got your information. Yes, hydroponics and growing under artificial light is pretty hard - but farming MJ in the open is easy, the thing grows like grass.

farming MJ in the open is easy

Yes, but supposedly being able to control the water & nutrients is good for premium quality.

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Post by SwellJoe »

MBCook wrote: post #148
SwellJoe wrote: post #101

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They can now get a legal job selling it over the counter. They can get licensed and sell it legally via delivery or whatever (I don't know the regulations). They can leverage their growing operation into a legal business that sells to dispensaries. They can get a job in another field...though, the skills acquired through dealing illegal drugs aren't necessarily very marketable. I dunno...but, we didn't, as a nation,…

If they have ever been caught and convicted, I bet they're not allowed to get a license.

Seems likely. And, that's unfortunate.

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Post by kbd »

Crito wrote: post #162
kbd wrote: post #160

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If you're going to try to invalidate what I wrote by "people disagree" then justify from the text where it says that drugs should be illegal and punishable by imprisonment.

The fact that there are many christians who do find religious reasons to oppose the consumption of alcohol invalidates what you wrote. You think there is nothing in the bible that is opposed to alcohol, but many people disagree. The existence of those people is the point . This is your opinion: "FWIW there's nothing in the Bible about throwing people in jail for alcohol" This is a fact: "Here in the south we [often]…

This is intellectually lazy reasoning. The existence of people who believe something does not make what they believe true.

Realize that the two statements:

"Here in the south we [often] use [...] 3000 year old Judean religious texts when writing our [drug] laws."

"...there's nothing in the Bible about throwing people in jail for alcohol"

are not necessarily contradictory. People can claim to justify what they believe based on something that doesn't in fact support their beliefs. My point that the Bible doesn't support drug prohibition/imprisonment stands.

Edit: I remain baffled how Christians supported alcohol prohibition when Jesus himself provided alcohol for a party.

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Post by Crito »

kbd wrote: post #165
Crito wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that there are many christians who do find religious reasons to oppose the consumption of alcohol invalidates what you wrote. You think there is nothing in the bible that is opposed to alcohol, but many people disagree. The existence of those people is the point . This is your opinion: "FWIW there's nothing in the Bible about throwing people in jail for alcohol" This is a fact: "Here in the south we [often]…

This is intellectually lazy reasoning. The existence of people who believe something does not make what they believe true. Realize that the two statements: "Here in the south we [often] use [...] 3000 year old Judean religious texts when writing our [drug] laws." "...there's nothing in the Bible about throwing people in jail for alcohol" are not necessarily contradictory. People can claim to justify what they believe…

You are not getting it. I am not saying they are right. I am saying that they exist.

To them, their religious text do condemn alcohol. Your personal interpretation of the religious texts cannot be taken as fact.

Whether or not they are right is something for you to argue about with other Christians. They think that they are correct just as much as you think that you are correct. Religious bickering, film at '11.

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Post by hollerith »

oinksoft wrote: post #157
hollerith wrote: post #80

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Now stop that right now! :) I strongly doubt there is any such thing as "medical- grade " marijuana. "Medical marijuana" refers to pot sold in such as way as to shield the buyer and seller from criminal liability (by requiring a prescription from a health-care provider). No official or semi-official body is holding this medical marijuana to any standard. Heading off a potential nit: in the last year or two a new stra…

High CBD/low THC strains are absolutely referred to as MMJ. They're being specifically cultivated and researched for medical uses (especially for epilepsy) in Israel and elsewhere. Also, calling the "medical" label a legal shield is bizarre. Medical cannabis is, as others commented, high-grade cannabis useful for treating serious conditions and helping cancer, AIDS, MS patients, etc. I'm sorry but I don't think you a…

It's no big deal to me, but where I live, California, the phrase "medical marijuana" has been in general use for at least 15 years, with the meaning I indicated, whereas ISTR the high CBD/low THC strains are only about 2 years old.

ADDED. You seem to have taken my comment as an attack on the ability of people with medical problems to get marajuana, but it was not meant that way -- and in fact, I'm for sick people's having that ability -- though I have not made a deep analysis of the issue (and there is a chance that such a deep analysis would change my mind).

I just do not like to see a word that has been used in one way -- by many journalists and commentators and by the general public -- used in a confusingly different way.

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Post by wavefunction »

ojbyrne wrote: post #17
wavefunction wrote: post #10

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The surrounding states are already awash with cannabis (even and especially Utah). Right-thinking people just have to keep browbeating the prohibitionists back into their corners until they can't do anything any more. I'm the first person to try to appeal to another's sense of logic, but logic is obviously not what the Prohibitionists are operating on. Prohibition has failed, failed spectacularly and expensively and…

And given a little time, this should have significant economic benefits (more tax revenue, less spending) to help with the "browbeating."

Yeah, I like Colorado's legislation because you can grow some if you want to, or you can just go and pay a business that pays taxes for some high-quality stuff without all the work if that's what you want.

The rest of the West should just go ahead, they're already there.

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Post by code_duck »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #127
code_duck wrote: post #38

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Yes, it would be really nice if people and journalists commenting on this would understand and acknowledge that cannabis has been widely available legally in Colorado for years, both through legal home growing and at retail outlets.

You don't think that the expansion of the law to allow recreational use will change the usage patterns? I am really curious.

I think it will change the patterns for some demographics more than others. Most people in the demographic where use is heaviest, college students, have had no problem finding cannabis in Colorado for at least 20 or 30 years now, and particularly in the past few years with the medical dispensaries. Anyone who wanted to could go get a red card for $160 and then shop at any of the numerous dispensaries around the state, in addition to the ample black-market opportunities to purchase such goods. I think that people in certain circles such as older people will find it a lot easier to obtain cannabis now, and that will change their usage patterns. It will be interesting to see how it develops as it goes from niche cultures to more mainstream… If that happens.

I am objecting to reporters and people commenting as if situations regarding cannabis use are novel, for instance some people are saying "what will we do now that there will be stoned to drivers on the streets?" We already have stoned drivers on the streets in every state and have for at least 20 or 30 years, and there have been laws against that in place all around the country as well. Another example, people discussing cannabis exportation from Colorado to neighboring states… That has already been going on and Colorado has had more availability than neighboring states such as Wyoming and Nebraska for a long time, predating the medical situation. It's true that since the medical laws were passed, larger grow operations have been located in Colorado. A couple of years ago a ring with dozens of houses sending 10 pounds at a time all over the country through FedEx was broken up in Denver. I do think this law will further embolden people if you want to grow cannabis for the black market, but on the other hand I sort of think that anyone who wants to do that already is.

It's also worth noting that California has had highly liberalized laws regarding this for years and for some reason that doesn't get much attention. You can go to Norcal and grow dozens of plants on your land and sell them for a large profits legally without anyone batting an eye.

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Post by ayu »

squintychino wrote: post #65
lotharbot wrote: post #59

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The "tea" you get for 6 dollars a pound in the US is, generally speaking, the crumbs and fragments leftover from making actually good tea. Wouldn't surprise me if you could also eventually get crumb-and-fragment grade pot for 6 bucks a pound. There's still a market for legitimately high grade tea (not Teavana). I'm interested to see what sort of market develops, over time, for legitimately high-grade MJ here in Color…

Could you recommend a good place online to order good "tea"? I'd seriously like to try some to get a sense of what real tea is suppose to taste like.

I get most of my tea from Monterey Bay Spice Company. Nice selection and very fair prices. I recommend their organic black tea (11 USD/lb).

http://www.herbco.com/

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