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Colorado Stores Throw Open Their Doors to Pot Buyers

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Re: Colorado Stores Throw Open Their Doors to Pot Buyers

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Post by chrishynes »

Multics wrote: post #84

More acceptance would presumably result in more clinical trials of cannabis. I'm aware of some small scale studies which have shown promise for diseases such as IBD (Crohn's/ulcerative colitis). How it stands presently some sections of society (global) suffer unnecessarily. I'm lead to believe that some substances in cannabis are neuroprotective; This contrasts to something like alcohol, which causes neurological dam…

"This contrasts to something like alcohol, which causes neurological damage"...

Not true, except for long term extremely heavy drinking.

Moderate alcohol consumption is neuroprotective.

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

bobby100 wrote: post #136
ItendToDisagree wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- There are no successful clinical trials on marijuana by the FDA. For someone who praises science, your statements really show your ignorance. So? What does your straw man have to do with anything? He stated marijuana is scientifically proven to be beneficial. It hasn't. No successful clinical trials exist. A brief use of the Googles turns up: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24373545 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p…

THC is already legal in pill form with a prescription. Again as I've stated, there are zero successful clinical trials (in the USA or anywhere else) that show smoking marijuana is beneficial. Standard scientific proof requires clinical trials.

THC is already legal in pill form with a prescription. Again as I've stated, there are zero successful clinical trials (in the USA or anywhere else) that show smoking marijuana is beneficial. Standard scientific proof requires clinical trials.

First you never mentioned "smoking" in your parent (I quoted it in my earlier reply for reference).

Second 'clinical trials' are a specific thing. In the words of Inigo Montoya, you keep using those words, I do not think it means what you think it means.

A clinical trial is only done at a specific stage of clinical research or commercial drug development. Clinical trials are an expensive process that must be paid for by the researcher/company looking to market the drug. You may want to read up on what a clinical trial entails before you insist on it being the only useful scientific metric. Clinical trials are also primarily concerned with safety (it is at least 2 of the phases of the trial).

You may want to reconsider your use of 'clinical trial' in your criticism here.

Edit: Last it seems that you did not even bother to read or comprehend my comment/links before you replied with a comment that attempts to change the subject (smoking vs THC in pill form). That seems like very 'trolly' behavior and I will stop responding if you would not like to actually discuss the subject.

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Post by lotharbot »

squintychino wrote: post #65
lotharbot wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "tea" you get for 6 dollars a pound in the US is, generally speaking, the crumbs and fragments leftover from making actually good tea. Wouldn't surprise me if you could also eventually get crumb-and-fragment grade pot for 6 bucks a pound. There's still a market for legitimately high grade tea (not Teavana). I'm interested to see what sort of market develops, over time, for legitimately high-grade MJ here in Color…

Could you recommend a good place online to order good "tea"? I'd seriously like to try some to get a sense of what real tea is suppose to taste like.

My wife generally imports her chinese tea from http://www.teaspring.com (she's a big fan of Bai Hao oolong) and her japanese green tea from http://www.o-cha.com .

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Post by jMyles »

steffan wrote: post #135
rmc wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hang on, can you explain this to a European? How can something be legal and illegal?!

In (two, I believe) U.S. states, marijuana has been decriminalized. That is, enforcement won't be applied at the state [roughly equivalent to a province] level. At the Federal [National] level, however, there are still laws that prohibit this. The result of this is that while you can be doing something for which you cannot be charged by the state , the Federal government has the ability to prosecute you at their disc…

Lots of states have decriminalized possession of cannabis (see this map: http://norml.org/states).

Only two (or three, depending on how you view the legal status in Alaska) have laws that actually create a legal framework surrounding it (ie, "legalized it").

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Post by ihsw »

squintychino wrote: post #65
lotharbot wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "tea" you get for 6 dollars a pound in the US is, generally speaking, the crumbs and fragments leftover from making actually good tea. Wouldn't surprise me if you could also eventually get crumb-and-fragment grade pot for 6 bucks a pound. There's still a market for legitimately high grade tea (not Teavana). I'm interested to see what sort of market develops, over time, for legitimately high-grade MJ here in Color…

Could you recommend a good place online to order good "tea"? I'd seriously like to try some to get a sense of what real tea is suppose to taste like.

DAVIDsTEA is also good, they have a few retail locations around.

https://www.davidstea.com/

https://www.davidstea.com/store-locator

$20 for 250g (1lb) of earl grey tea, for example.

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Post by cookiecaper »

rmc wrote: post #130
cookiecaper wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's still significant risk in grow operations because it's still a federal crime. The Obama administration has chosen not to enforce that law for the time being, but that can change on a moment's notice, and is likely to change if a conservative attains office (which will probably happen in 2016). Furthermore, even when done legally, there is significant regulatory burden on a state-sanctioned grow. You're correc…

Hang on, can you explain this to a European? How can something be legal and illegal?!

So the EU is basically the "United States of Europe". Remember, the US is a bunch of independent states (NOT provinces) who pool resources for the sake of defensive and economic convenience, just like the EU. Technically, the Feds are supposed to have very limited powers.

The situation in Colorado is analogous to The Netherlands explicitly declaring something allowed that the EU councils in Brussels have explicitly declared disallowed. One authority claims it's OK, the other claims it's not OK, and the citizen has to choose which authority they trust and/or fear more.

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Post by scardine »

sliverstorm wrote: post #134
mynameishere wrote: post #52

According to this the price will initially go up: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/12/30/high-prices-f... ...but since marijuana is literally a weed, why wouldn't the price eventually drop to something like that of tea? I mean, tea is harder to grow, process, and ship, and you can get it for 6 dollars a pound. Even the overpriced teavana stuff can go for as little as 40 dollars a pound.

I like to compare it to beer rather than tea. You can make it for dirt cheap, but based on some research months ago, growing truly quality stuff is an art. So, like beer, I expect there will be Coors MJ, and there will be Microbrewery MJ. The former a baseline of reasonable quality for the price, the latter far nicer than anything John Doe can grow in his basement, probably complete with hydroponics and sophisticated…

I don't know where you got your information. Yes, hydroponics and growing under artificial light is pretty hard - but farming MJ in the open is easy, the thing grows like grass.

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Post by MBCook »

SwellJoe wrote: post #101
ck2 wrote: post #27

I'm curious what happens to the people who were surviving on the cash from selling it illegally. Some of them are poor slobs. Some of them are organized crime. Are they just going to try to sell it at a lower price since the police cannot tell where you got it from and might not even care anymore? Tax savings alone radically reduces the price.

They can now get a legal job selling it over the counter. They can get licensed and sell it legally via delivery or whatever (I don't know the regulations). They can leverage their growing operation into a legal business that sells to dispensaries. They can get a job in another field...though, the skills acquired through dealing illegal drugs aren't necessarily very marketable. I dunno...but, we didn't, as a nation,…

If they have ever been caught and convicted, I bet they're not allowed to get a license.

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Post by chc »

bobby100 wrote: post #110
xacaxulu wrote: post #94

Colorado, unlike a large number of US states, seems to take crazy things like simple economics and overwhelmingly positive scientific research into account when drafting laws. Here in the south we prefer to use 1950's mores, Jim Crow era law enforcement priorities and 3000 year old Judean religious texts when writing our laws. Bravo Colorado!

- There are no successful clinical trials on marijuana by the FDA. For someone who praises science, your statements really show your ignorance.

Are there successful clinical trials on M&Ms? We're talking about recreational use here, not prescriptions.

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Post by Zigurd »

bobby100 wrote: post #110
xacaxulu wrote: post #94

Colorado, unlike a large number of US states, seems to take crazy things like simple economics and overwhelmingly positive scientific research into account when drafting laws. Here in the south we prefer to use 1950's mores, Jim Crow era law enforcement priorities and 3000 year old Judean religious texts when writing our laws. Bravo Colorado!

- There are no successful clinical trials on marijuana by the FDA. For someone who praises science, your statements really show your ignorance.

What's your vested interest? Drug law enforcement or treating addiction to a non-addictive drug quackery?
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