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Colorado Stores Throw Open Their Doors to Pot Buyers

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Re: Colorado Stores Throw Open Their Doors to Pot Buyers

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

bobby100 wrote: post #126
ItendToDisagree wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that because it was scheduled as illegal? Circular logic is fun!

So? What does your straw man have to do with anything? He stated marijuana is scientifically proven to be beneficial. It hasn't. No successful clinical trials exist.

- There are no successful clinical trials on marijuana by the FDA.

For someone who praises science, your statements really show your ignorance.

So? What does your straw man have to do with anything? He stated marijuana is scientifically proven to be beneficial. It hasn't. No successful clinical trials exist.

A brief use of the Googles turns up:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24373545

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24375977

http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/sample.cgi/mpohbp/asap/abs/mp060...

and many more if you bother to look (also negative impact if you're interested in those!)

Generally you do not do a 'clinical trial' on something that is marked as a schedule 1 substance.

What straw man are you referring to? You implied it had no benefits because it doesn't have clinical trials... It doesn't have clinical trials because it is said to have no benefits (schedule 1)... Circular logic! Magic!

Edit: Quoting parent

Re: Colorado Stores Throw Open Their Doors to Pot Buyers

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Post by sliverstorm »

huherto wrote: post #114
xacaxulu wrote: post #94

Colorado, unlike a large number of US states, seems to take crazy things like simple economics and overwhelmingly positive scientific research into account when drafting laws. Here in the south we prefer to use 1950's mores, Jim Crow era law enforcement priorities and 3000 year old Judean religious texts when writing our laws. Bravo Colorado!

http://www.npr.org/2013/11/11/244527860/forget-the-50-states... My guess is that people in Colorado tend to be more libertarian. They don't want government interference, and at the same time they don't follow the religious culture in the deep south.

There's a little bit of libertarian undercurrent there, but I believe it's more of an emergent phenomenon from the mixing of independent-by-nature left- and right-wing voters. Colorado, with large swaths of rural areas as well as big cities, is rather purple.

Put together left- and right-wing voters, and you get either statism or libertarianism, and Colorado leans towards libertarianism. Or so my theory goes.

Re: Colorado Stores Throw Open Their Doors to Pot Buyers

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Post by kansface »

rmc wrote: post #130
cookiecaper wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's still significant risk in grow operations because it's still a federal crime. The Obama administration has chosen not to enforce that law for the time being, but that can change on a moment's notice, and is likely to change if a conservative attains office (which will probably happen in 2016). Furthermore, even when done legally, there is significant regulatory burden on a state-sanctioned grow. You're correc…

Hang on, can you explain this to a European? How can something be legal and illegal?!

State/Federal laws and law enforcement.

Re: Colorado Stores Throw Open Their Doors to Pot Buyers

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Post by sliverstorm »

mynameishere wrote: post #52

According to this the price will initially go up: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/12/30/high-prices-f... ...but since marijuana is literally a weed, why wouldn't the price eventually drop to something like that of tea? I mean, tea is harder to grow, process, and ship, and you can get it for 6 dollars a pound. Even the overpriced teavana stuff can go for as little as 40 dollars a pound.

I like to compare it to beer rather than tea. You can make it for dirt cheap, but based on some research months ago, growing truly quality stuff is an art. So, like beer, I expect there will be Coors MJ, and there will be Microbrewery MJ. The former a baseline of reasonable quality for the price, the latter far nicer than anything John Doe can grow in his basement, probably complete with hydroponics and sophisticated monitoring.

But for the time being, it will be expensive because of risk, ramp times, capital investment, etc.

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Post by steffan »

rmc wrote: post #130
cookiecaper wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's still significant risk in grow operations because it's still a federal crime. The Obama administration has chosen not to enforce that law for the time being, but that can change on a moment's notice, and is likely to change if a conservative attains office (which will probably happen in 2016). Furthermore, even when done legally, there is significant regulatory burden on a state-sanctioned grow. You're correc…

Hang on, can you explain this to a European? How can something be legal and illegal?!

In (two, I believe) U.S. states, marijuana has been decriminalized. That is, enforcement won't be applied at the state [roughly equivalent to a province] level. At the Federal [National] level, however, there are still laws that prohibit this.

The result of this is that while you can be doing something for which you cannot be charged by the state, the Federal government has the ability to prosecute you at their discretion. This is where the risk comes in; you are at the mercy of the federal government to continue deciding that they won't enforce the federal laws in those states.

Re: Colorado Stores Throw Open Their Doors to Pot Buyers

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Post by bobby100 »

ItendToDisagree wrote: post #131
bobby100 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? What does your straw man have to do with anything? He stated marijuana is scientifically proven to be beneficial. It hasn't. No successful clinical trials exist.

- There are no successful clinical trials on marijuana by the FDA. For someone who praises science, your statements really show your ignorance. So? What does your straw man have to do with anything? He stated marijuana is scientifically proven to be beneficial. It hasn't. No successful clinical trials exist. A brief use of the Googles turns up: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24373545 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p…

THC is already legal in pill form with a prescription. Again as I've stated, there are zero successful clinical trials (in the USA or anywhere else) that show smoking marijuana is beneficial. Standard scientific proof requires clinical trials.

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Post by dobbsbob »

ItendToDisagree wrote: post #90
hollerith wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now stop that right now! :) I strongly doubt there is any such thing as "medical- grade " marijuana. "Medical marijuana" refers to pot sold in such as way as to shield the buyer and seller from criminal liability (by requiring a prescription from a health-care provider). No official or semi-official body is holding this medical marijuana to any standard. Heading off a potential nit: in the last year or two a new stra…

Doesn't 'Medical Grade' just mean high quality? IANAS but there are lots of different levels of quality right? Like in Pulp Fiction? "That one's a Wild Man."

It just means highly potent, pro grown weed that is suitable for medical use. The expression comes from all those California legal grows who produce AAA weed as compared to shake/brickweed junk you get on the street

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Post by yesiamyourdad »

ernestipark wrote: post #25
k-mcgrady wrote: post #15

>> "“This is our dream,” said Kirstin Knouse, 24, who flew here from Chicago with her husband, Tristan, to take their first-ever marijuana vacation." And there's some people already ruining it. I believe Amsterdam had this same problem. Drug tourism is not something cities want for many obvious reasons.

I understand the sentiment, but you forgot to include the rest of the paragraph: >> She said that she suffered from seizures and fibromyalgia, and her husband from post-traumatic stress, but that the couple had not been able to get medical marijuana at home. “We’re thinking about moving here because of it,” she said. Maybe they're just making up excuses, but doesn't sound like these are a couple of 20 year olds just…

It's been an open secret for years. The Denver Post published stats a couple years ago that showed that around 80% of the red card holders in CO were men age 25 and younger. If you remember from the health care debate, this is the healthiest population around.

It was dead simple to get a red card - go into one of the many shops advertising an on site doc, complain of chronic back pain (or PTSD if a veteran), and there you go. The hardest problem was finding a shop taking new patients, as the MMJ law capped the number of patients per provider.

Re: Colorado Stores Throw Open Their Doors to Pot Buyers

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Post by dobbsbob »

cookiecaper wrote: post #115
mynameishere wrote: post #52

According to this the price will initially go up: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/12/30/high-prices-f... ...but since marijuana is literally a weed, why wouldn't the price eventually drop to something like that of tea? I mean, tea is harder to grow, process, and ship, and you can get it for 6 dollars a pound. Even the overpriced teavana stuff can go for as little as 40 dollars a pound.

There's still significant risk in grow operations because it's still a federal crime. The Obama administration has chosen not to enforce that law for the time being, but that can change on a moment's notice, and is likely to change if a conservative attains office (which will probably happen in 2016). Furthermore, even when done legally, there is significant regulatory burden on a state-sanctioned grow. You're correc…

I would imagine customs will single out anybody declaring their destination as Colorado for extra harassment too.

Re: Colorado Stores Throw Open Their Doors to Pot Buyers

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Post by mschuster91 »

cookiecaper wrote: post #119
mschuster91 wrote: post #83

So, now that pot is legalized, how will the police fill all those costly new jails with black people now? Criminalize them just for being black?

It's disappointing to see race baiting on HN. Save it for reddit.

I'm sorry if some consider my comment offensive - but it is, at least as tons of reports suggest, the pure truth that vastly more blacks get fucked up by US justice system than white people.

And this is unacceptable for a self-named "world leader".

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