What Snowden really revealed
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What Snowden really revealed
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#2This is one of the clearest explanations of the situation that I have read.
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#3> We have sacrificed our freedoms and morals in order to make war on those abroad
There are unperceivable powers that be. Possibly and even likely without what we consider morals. Bear with me. When you had enough wealth and can own or have anything, what's next? It's human nature.
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#4I wonder, at what point would NSA start manufacturing threats. It seems like clear progression of their behavior. Because you can't constantly cry wolf, you have to fight a straw-wolf from time to time.
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#5I wonder, at what point would NSA start manufacturing threats. It seems like clear progression of their behavior. Because you can't constantly cry wolf, you have to fight a straw-wolf from time to time.
>>I wonder, at what point would NSA start manufacturing threats.
I have no reason to believe this hasn't happened already.
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#6I think this was well written and I enjoyed reading it.
It brought some interesting information to my attention that I was not aware of (e.g. the porn habit blackmail scheme) - there have been so many articles about the leaks that despite them being important to me, I've made a conscious decision not to read them all.
I really like the quote (that I can't find a source on) that he "defected from the American government to the American people."
Edward Snowden is one of my heroes. This is something I find that I don't say very lightly or very often about anybody.
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#7At this point, it may well be impossible to shut down the NSA. I imagine every opposing politician gets visited by some agent at some point, showing him records of his own wrongdoings.
Imagine every politician ever be forced to choose between the end of his career and opposing the NSA. How can we get out of this mess?
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#8> We have sacrificed our freedoms and morals in order to make war on those abroad There are unperceivable powers that be. Possibly and even likely without what we consider morals. Bear with me. When you had enough wealth and can own or have anything, what's next? It's human nature.
The thing is, I don't think we have sacrificed anything. No one ever gave the NSA explicit authority to do the things it does. It's just that they did do them snyway.
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#9At this point, it may well be impossible to shut down the NSA. I imagine every opposing politician gets visited by some agent at some point, showing him records of his own wrongdoings. Imagine every politician ever be forced to choose between the end of his career and opposing the NSA. How can we get out of this mess?
Order some armed body to take over all NSA sites and burn things to the ground. Reason being in the set of (libel|slander|extortion|treason).
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#10I wonder, at what point would NSA start manufacturing threats. It seems like clear progression of their behavior. Because you can't constantly cry wolf, you have to fight a straw-wolf from time to time.
> I wonder, at what point would NSA start manufacturing threats.
The FBI have been doing that for years.[1,2] Sadly enough, to expect other agencies to refrain from similar activities would be a fallacy.
1: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/terror-factory-f...
2: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/08/fbi-terrorist-in... (also linked from the heading of first article)