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Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow

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Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow

#211

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You're using the fact that he had two accounts as an excuse, but it really doesn't hold up. This was an edit with inarguable merit. Yet users rejected it because they were using the heuristic "changes to code is bad" as a substitute for understanding the edit . That's bad moderation. If you don't understand a change, you shouldn't vote on its worthiness.

So instead of taking the one in a thousand chance that its the wrong thing to do (which, from what I've seen, is generous) they should let edits languish for days or weeks until someone sufficiently knowledgable shows up? That just doesn't sound like a worthwhile tradeoff.

If something should not be edited through another account, then the software should just not allow it.

If it allows it, and delegates the check to moderators, then these moderators should either reject it if they are sure the change is wrong. In all other cases they should allow it.

It's really that simple.

Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow

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Ha. I have never started contributing to Stack Overflow, because it won't let me. It appears that you can't provide answers without first asking questions. When I have questions, I use Google or IRC. Every now and then Google throws up SO questions I can answer (or improve answers to, or point out FAIL in the answers to) on the way to my finding an answer to the original question, and I log in to SO and try to contribute...

So my attitude to SO is pretty much "meh". I'll take useful answers (and sometimes there are really good ones), but if they don't want me to contribute, stuff 'em.

Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow

#213

The author's main problem stems from his desire to use Stack Overflow as a mechanism for gaining internet points - as is illustrated by his confession that "I saw a simple Java question, hit Google, read briefly, then synthesized an original answer." Why bother? Instead, I use Stack Overflow predominantly for three reasons -- 1. To ask interesting questions that I think will get a better answer there than anywhere el…

Is there any tangible, real-world value to points on Stack Overflow (maybe some form of recognition when applying for jobs), or are they really just imaginary internet points (like reddit karma)?

I suspect a high score might lead to higher income potential. I knew a guy who claimed his high SO score led to more recruiter spam.

Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow

#214

Personally, I post each and every question I have to StackOverflow. When I figure it out, I take some time to write out a detailed answer to my own question. Why? Because: a) I love contributing with the online developer community and sharing back all that I've taken since I started freshman year of college. b) Writing it out step by step solidifies the knowledge within me. It's a win-win!

Please keep doing this. I'm a total newbie - my first app (a very specific calculator for a small profession) is awaiting rejection from Apple. I'm yet ready to ask questions on StackOverflow as I know perfectly well that everything I could think of asking has been asked before. I spend hours reading there and have always found my answer. Those who take the time to answer are appreciated.

Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow

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post #170

Please everybody, please post your "obscure" questions to Stack Overflow. Yes, it's unlikely that you'll get a good answer in any sort of useful timeframe for many of the reasons the OP lists. Sometimes you do get a good answer quickly, saving you hours of frustrating searching. But most times you will have to spend hours figuring it out yourself or you'll end up giving up. Answering your own question won't get you a…

The core problem lies deeper than the reasons OP listed, though: Complex problems require tradeoffs, and tradeoffs require discussion. Stack overflows format is 100% incompatible with discussion. Thus, Stack overflow is largely incompatible with complex problems. That's simply not fixable.

Incompatible by fiat, not by any technical reason. There is no reason the comment system couldn't be expanded into a more extended/threaded system to allow precisely that.

That and the "not a good fit" close reason is the primary thing wrong with SE.

Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow

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Closed as not a real question. 150 question upvotes.

This is one of the most annoying part of stack overflow,instead of closing the discussion,they should have a provision to move to more opinionated discussion list.

They do. When you vote to close a question (and anyone can do that, not just moderators), you have to give a reason. One of the predefined reasons is "belongs on SuperUser stack exchange," and another where you can fill in a reason, such as "belongs on Programmer stack exchange." (Programmer is for code review, style questions, opinion-based stuff, etc.)

Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any tangible, real-world value to points on Stack Overflow (maybe some form of recognition when applying for jobs), or are they really just imaginary internet points (like reddit karma)?

I suspect a high score might lead to higher income potential. I knew a guy who claimed his high SO score led to more recruiter spam.

It has been mentioned to me by recruiters as a positive thing.

Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow

#218

StackOverflow is a machine designed to do one thing: make it so that, for any given programming question, you will get a search engine hit on their site and find a good answer quickly. And see some ads. That's really it. Everything it does is geared toward that, and it does it quite well. I have lots of SO points. A lot of them have come from answering common, basic questions. If you think points exist to prove merit…

No, you're wrong. If this was true, why is it that nearly any question you find on SO from Google is marked as "closed for not conforming to ideology or other arbitrary reason."

What are you searching for? I've literally never seen this on anything on Stack Overflow when coming from Google. I have seen it on some posts while I've been using the site directly, and it's almost always justified, from what I can tell.

Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow

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post #79

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While you call out the author, note that the primary motivator StackOverflow offers to users are those very internet points you decry: You can't blame someone for playing to the very mechanics of the site. Would StackOverflow be popular if it didn't have leader boards and reputation points and arrays of expertise-claiming badges? Would people spend their time working on other people's problems if it didn't earn them…

There is value in answering questions beyond just the points. A lot of answers require understanding the mechanics of the code and not just getting the right result. Then there is the matter of effectively communicating that to someone else. Last, there is feedback about your answer which further refines your skill. He wants it to be an educational site instead of the much more pragmatic site that it is clearly desig…

You still can't deny that the mechanics of the site are somewhat broken - I have answered questions, had the answers upvoted, only to see the question edited by a mod and changing the fundamental question and adding more specifics, at which point my answer becomes incorrect and is downvoted. This is plainly a stupid mechanic.

Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow

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I have basically the exact same experience with SO as the author. I was in the beta group, I currently have moderator permission levels, and I hardly ever use the site. It's great finding specific answers to highly specific questions that a large number of devs can help with. It's terrible at keeping many of the most experienced devs interested in answering questions. And it's not great as a general learning resource…

... so they are discouraged from acquiring the skills to solve their own problems...

Nobody is discouraging anything from anybody. SO is mainly a resource for programming problems.

For the life of me I can not understand this expectation that SO is a tutoring site. It is not. As a developer resource it is invaluable, and free.

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