StackOverflow is a machine designed to do one thing: make it so that, for any given programming question, you will get a search engine hit on their site and find a good answer quickly. And see some ads. That's really it. Everything it does is geared toward that, and it does it quite well. I have lots of SO points. A lot of them have come from answering common, basic questions. If you think points exist to prove merit…
Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow
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Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow
#172I've seen what's happening on SE before. It was called USENET back then. The best way I can describe it is that marauding hordes of extremists aggressively took over some groups mercilessly attacked anyone deviating from their vision of the world. I remember comp.lang.c becoming particularly problematic.
OK, a little over the top. Well, yes and no. One of the most frustrating things on SE and SF are the questions that are closed as off-topic when they very much are on topic. I haven't been on either of those for a while. Back a some time ago there seemed to be a war of sorts going on between the two communities's moderators as they would close topics in each and send them off to each other. For example, if I remember correctly, questions related to XAMPP was a hot-button item that almost guaranteed your question would end-up in digital limbo. In this sense, it very much started to feel like USENET when the inmates took over the asylum.
When I got started with SE I felt a responsibility to give back as much as I took. I remember devoting significant amounts of time to answering questions with well-tested clear explanations. As you clash into the reality of what these communities have become (both in terms of quality of content and quality of the people who pull the strings) the motivation to contribute at that level --or any level for that matter-- tends to go down.
Not sure what's in store for SE. It just isn't an important part of my daily routine in any way these days. I suspect this might be the case for a lot of professionals who have far better things to do with their time and skills than to play such games for points and badges.
Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow
#173Arguments could be made against contributing to... Helping the homeless, Open source, Hacker News discussions, ? ETC
Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow
#174It's great finding specific answers to highly specific questions that a large number of devs can help with. It's terrible at keeping many of the most experienced devs interested in answering questions. And it's not great as a general learning resource either. The site just stalls out at a low to moderate level of sophistication in terms of the level of knowledge that can be found there, for all of the reasons the author described.
Edit: after some reflection, here is a stronger critique of SO:
SO leverages a huge amount of effort from developers for very little real benefit. Some of the site has value but a lot of it boils down to moderately experienced devs spoon feeding answers to beginning devs, which I think could be more detrimental than helpful. By doing so such beginning devs avoid the hurdle of having to RTFM, which stunts their growth. They avoid having to level up their skillset and they know that they can just return to SO when they have their next problem, so they are discouraged from acquiring the skills to solve their own problems, they will stall out at a beginning skill level forever. Meanwhile, as many people have pointed out the true point of crisis in skill/project development lies not at the beginning but after the initial hump, after years of work. And here devs are not well served by SO because they need more than just an answer to a specific question, they need guidance, they need mentoring, they need encouragement. SO's nearly pathalogical lack of community makes it a very poor place to seek out assistance during that phase of personal development.
In short: SO may be helping the wrong people and discouraging folks who are more in need of assistance and for whom being helped would have a vastly greater positive benefit on the industry as a whole.
Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow
#175That's pretty much how our "real world" scoring system works if you think about it. To make it simple, just replace the "internet points" by "money" and your "stackoverflow account" by a "savings account" that pays interest and the analogy is set ;)
Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
His edit wasn't rejected by mods. It was rejected by other users who have the power to review edits. A mod has a specific meaning within SE sites. If he'd raised an issue on meta, I'm sure a real mod would have sorted this out, or he could have just used the same account to make this edit.
s/moderators/folks with lots of imaginary internet points enabling a restricted subset of the moderating powers available on SO/ You must also know about meta. I looked for ways to contact the mods in the UI and didn't find any. I suppose it's in the FAQ, but I didn't think about it at the time.
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#177Additionally it is geared towards STATIC knowledge. Chosen "best" answers (CURRENTLY!) and the fact that most of the time no one is actually updating their votes according to the CURRENT state of the art or current established best practices actually can even drive info seeking users towards out dated answers...
Still, most of the time I think it works just fine for the folks just in need for quick "how do I convert x into y in language z" answers.
To tackle the non-static, more dynamic and actually fleeting aspects of "voting for the best" aspects I am working on and experimenting with Sustinion
Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
s/moderators/folks with lots of imaginary internet points enabling a restricted subset of the moderating powers available on SO/ You must also know about meta. I looked for ways to contact the mods in the UI and didn't find any. I suppose it's in the FAQ, but I didn't think about it at the time.
So "flag for moderator attention" means what to you?
Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow
#179StackOverflow is a machine designed to do one thing: make it so that, for any given programming question, you will get a search engine hit on their site and find a good answer quickly. And see some ads. That's really it. Everything it does is geared toward that, and it does it quite well. I have lots of SO points. A lot of them have come from answering common, basic questions. If you think points exist to prove merit…
"Does having easy answers available on SO make us dumber?" Yes, in that the worlds largest helper only supports simple boring common questions, as per the article. If you're trying to do stats in scala, and the only help you can get is "hello world" in java, that's not good for Scala, statistics, or much of anything else, making the world overall dumber. By analogy, lets say reality TV shows completely push video doc…
Are people posting Java "hello world" answers on your Scala questions? I doubt it. Are you manually slogging through dozens of Java questions looking for Scala ones? You should be searching.
I see no reason why you should ever have to look at Q&As irrelevant to you.
Worst case: you have questions nobody can answer. Which means one of two things:
1. Your question is unclear or too specific to your situation
2. You're working in a niche area.
If #2, you're no worse off than if SO didn't exist. So what's the problem?
Re: Why I no longer contribute to Stack Overflow
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
How many good questions do you see that are "CLOSED AS NOT A REAL QUESTION"? The site is fine for what it is, but there's definitely a market for building a better StackOverFlow.
StackOverflow seems to have devolved into a bunch of shit questions. Anything too technical doesn't get answered, since the real veterans have left, and anything not technical enough (like an approach to a problem) gets closed. I loved SO in the beginning. Now it's a cesspool.
Evidence?