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Re: The Disinformation

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Post by [deleted] »

Tohhou wrote: post #43
vertr07 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not new to the internet, but you are definitely new to HN. Well-reasoned and supported arguments are valued here, not baseless and fragmented conspiracy theories. E.g. Aliens are controlling politics! Proof: http://reddit.com/r/ufos

Individuals have agendas and are attacking people due to their ideology. Look at the thread you are in. PG was attacked by people over something he never said. They didn't do it for no reason, they did it because they saw a chance to draw blood for their twisted cause. Where's the wild conspiracy again? It's not a conspiracy. It's a group of very public, transparent, active, and vocal people who are creating divisive…

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Re: The Disinformation

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Post by ballard »

MetaCosm wrote: post #29
barry-cotter wrote: post #15

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I can see why you might think that but consider it from pg's pov. It is technically true to describe the incendiary passage in the Information's article as incorrect. pg never said what he is alleged to have said. If the information and implication were the same from what he actually said it would be no harm, no foul. Given that pg was giving background information, not an interview and that his words were misquoted…

Yeah. Most other places would get more slack, but when you big thing is "We are expensive in a market where everything else is free because WE ARE BETTER" and the time before first huge fuckup is counted in days, you lose a lot of that momentum. That said, suddenly everyone is talking a hell of a lot about "The Information" -- so maybe it will end up being a huge win for them. Suicide or brilliant marketing move, wil…

Unless you're Telegram.

Re: The Disinformation

#53

Post by syllogism »

> And really, three sins were committed. The first was changing a quote. You just can’t do that, ever

What utter nonsense!

Unscripted speech, especially under cognitive load about complicated topics, is disfluent. About 5% of the words you speak will be edited on the fly, and not part of the final utterance to be understood. Many professional speakers train themselves not to do this, but even many politicians at the peak of their profession will remain disfluent in unscripted remarks.

Interviews are _always_ edited for fluency. You make someone sound like a bumbling idiot if you supply a verbatim transcript.

Re: The Disinformation

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Post by ballard »

News, apart from investigative journalism, is mostly gossip with a patina of occasional respectability.

But by news being essentially gossip, it's something there's plenty of, like artistic talent, so there's not much money in it. That's because there's a positive gradient of information from people that will tell you for free.

Re: The Disinformation

#55

Post by Tohhou »

[deleted] wrote: post #51
Tohhou wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Individuals have agendas and are attacking people due to their ideology. Look at the thread you are in. PG was attacked by people over something he never said. They didn't do it for no reason, they did it because they saw a chance to draw blood for their twisted cause. Where's the wild conspiracy again? It's not a conspiracy. It's a group of very public, transparent, active, and vocal people who are creating divisive…

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Are you serious? I linked to TIA because they showcase the crazies. I'm not criticizing TIA, but linking to them because they very plainly detail what I was talking about in earlier posts.

For example, this pertinent thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/comments/1u0tmy/appar...

Re: The Disinformation

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Post by vertr07 »

Tohhou wrote: post #55
[deleted] wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Are you serious? I linked to TIA because they showcase the crazies. I'm not criticizing TIA, but linking to them because they very plainly detail what I was talking about in earlier posts. For example, this pertinent thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/comments/1u0tmy/appar...

Sorry, deleted because I was going to check out of this, but you replied.

I'm glad you finally found yourself a primary source, however that still doesn't prove your thesis that this particular incident is an example of what you are talking about.

Re: The Disinformation

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Post by Tohhou »

vertr07 wrote: post #56
Tohhou wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you serious? I linked to TIA because they showcase the crazies. I'm not criticizing TIA, but linking to them because they very plainly detail what I was talking about in earlier posts. For example, this pertinent thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/comments/1u0tmy/appar...

Sorry, deleted because I was going to check out of this, but you replied. I'm glad you finally found yourself a primary source, however that still doesn't prove your thesis that this particular incident is an example of what you are talking about.

OK. You could have said that before. I could have linked to the people who were attacking PG for the misquote, and showing how they fall in line with the examples of what people want.

Re: The Disinformation

#58

Post by increment_i »

What's truly amazing is the lack of foresight in all of this. If you're a tech company doing tech reporting, why in holy hell would you misquote or spin - or by ignorance allow to be spun - a quote from Paul Graham? How did they think this was going to end for them?

Re: The Disinformation

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Post by [deleted] »

Tohhou wrote: post #36
vertr07 wrote: post #35

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You're going to need more than wild speculation and a link to a subreddit.

Are you a newbie to the Internet? Been living under a rock? What do you want me to do cite each example with what Social Justice Warriors say they want?

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Re: The Disinformation

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Post by eru »

michaelochurch wrote: post #22

This is a case where "disruption" is bad, because "disruption" usually involves overhaul of older ethical principles that emerged after decades of missteps. Journalism is being disrupted (and has been for over 30 years) and the result is that reliable, just-the-facts is getting overrun by this nonsense. People are comparing this to Valleywag. Actually, I like Valleywag. I think it's great. It is exactly what it says…

> Journalism is being disrupted (and has been for over 30 years) and the result is that reliable, just-the-facts is getting overrun by this nonsense.

Are you sure we ever actually had the paradise we lost?

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