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I Transcribed Glenn Greenwald's 30C3 Keynote

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Re: I Transcribed Glenn Greenwald's 30C3 Keynote

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Post by revelation »

malandrew wrote: post #20
salient wrote: post #9

Greenwald's speech was great, but so far the most interesting one to me has been Jacob Appelbaum's speech where he gives a lot more technical details (including new information) about how the NSA is hacking systems and how far they are willing to go, like wanting to create a "Great Firewall of Earth" or even radiating people with up to 1KW in order to get what's in their computer, which just proves how out of control…

Why isn't there a video of this talk on media.ccc.de? How was part 1 by Claudio Gaurnieri (@botherder) and Morgan Marquis-Boire (@headhntr)?

There will be, but the conference only concluded today, so it may take some time to be post-processed.

Re: I Transcribed Glenn Greenwald's 30C3 Keynote

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Post by Luc »

AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #14
coldcode wrote: post #11

Reading this (and others) makes me conclude that we the people (or any country, but especially here in the US) are truly and royally fucked. For every brave person who stands up there are a hundred thousand who refuse to the see the sun rises in the east and continues to believe what they are being told, that it rises in the west.

Technology will be the solution, not politics. Cryptography is the only way out of this hell.

Exactly the opposite. The NSA already had firmware exploits for BIOSes, harddrives, mobile phones in 2008. They have won on the technological front - if they want to track your communications, they'll find a way.

Only laws could rein them in. There's simple no computing platform that can be trusted to do your encryption on.

Re: I Transcribed Glenn Greenwald's 30C3 Keynote

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Post by jonnybgood »

I'm very skeptical of Glenn Greenwald. I'm surprised by how many will readily accept whatever he says. That's kinda scary. There's a question of credibility when you don't fact check[1]. Makes you wonder what else is Greenwald exaggerating or not fact checking.

[1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/06/1...

Re: I Transcribed Glenn Greenwald's 30C3 Keynote

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Post by pnathan »

jonnybgood wrote: post #33

I'm very skeptical of Glenn Greenwald. I'm surprised by how many will readily accept whatever he says. That's kinda scary. There's a question of credibility when you don't fact check[1]. Makes you wonder what else is Greenwald exaggerating or not fact checking. [1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/06/1...

Broadly stated: independent sources cross-confirming each other is the best way to ensure reliability (an old scientific, police, historian, and journalist principle). Simply because we agree with a single source's statements and viewpoints doesn't guarantee the single source is right.

However, a variety of people over the years (Drake & others) have also remarked on the over-the-top surveillance. It's also true that the NSA has admitted certain of Greenwald's accusations. So at least in principle, Greenwald has been confirmed.

Re: I Transcribed Glenn Greenwald's 30C3 Keynote

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Post by ajslater »

exarch wrote: post #25
aryastark wrote: post #24

How the hell is James Clapper still in office?? Isn't what he did so obviously perjury? The America of 2013 is absolute bullshit. I can't even fathom how corrupt this country is.

>How the hell is James Clapper still in office?? Isn't what he did so obviously perjury? Yes, what he did clearly meets the statutory definition of perjury. He's still employed by the government because our officials, elected and appointed, are almost completely unaccountable to the public due to the political process being broken down by a corporate-controlled media and corporatocratic (see: Mussolini) system of gov…

If Clapper were removed from office, his successor would have to take the damage on. Clapper will be scapegoated for as long as this fracas lasts.

Re: I Transcribed Glenn Greenwald's 30C3 Keynote

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Post by varelse »

Playing an unfortunate devil's advocate, all this ludicrous surveillance state gadgetry seems to be less of an attempt to be the United Stasi of America and more of a ridiculous over the top reaction in fear of being accused of going soft on terror.

I don't like it, and I don't agree with it, but I acknowledge that if a 2nd 9/11 level event were to occur after the government relented and imposed reasonable limitations on data collection that the party out of power at the time could easily scream bloody murder and take all 3 branches of government in a single election cycle. I'd previously only expected this from the party of Kang, but Obama's stance on drones and NSA surveillance has revealed the party of Kodos is no better.

Which is to say I think the surveillance state is a symptom more than the disease. America has lost all sense of perspective.

~30,000 automotive deaths (of which ~10,000 resulted from drunk driving) annually.

~11,000 gun deaths.

~6,000 deaths from falling off ladders.

~3,000 people died on 9/11.

Ergo we should ban ladders, guns, alcohol, and cars: it's the only way to be sure, no?

Re: I Transcribed Glenn Greenwald's 30C3 Keynote

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Post by jonnybgood »

pnathan wrote: post #34
jonnybgood wrote: post #33

I'm very skeptical of Glenn Greenwald. I'm surprised by how many will readily accept whatever he says. That's kinda scary. There's a question of credibility when you don't fact check[1]. Makes you wonder what else is Greenwald exaggerating or not fact checking. [1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/06/1...

Broadly stated: independent sources cross-confirming each other is the best way to ensure reliability (an old scientific, police, historian, and journalist principle). Simply because we agree with a single source's statements and viewpoints doesn't guarantee the single source is right. However, a variety of people over the years (Drake & others) have also remarked on the over-the-top surveillance. It's also true that…

But the NSA has not admitted certain of Greenwald's accusations[1]. Greenwald's journalistic integrity has also been questioned before[2]. So, as I stated, makes you wonder what else he can be exaggerating or (intentionally?) not fact checking. I honestly can not see how someone could not be skeptical Greenwald.

[1] http://thedailybanter.com/2013/06/nsa-story-falling-apart-un...

[2] http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/08/1192256/-The-Final-...

Re: I Transcribed Glenn Greenwald's 30C3 Keynote

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Post by _bfhp »

jonnybgood wrote: post #37
pnathan wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Broadly stated: independent sources cross-confirming each other is the best way to ensure reliability (an old scientific, police, historian, and journalist principle). Simply because we agree with a single source's statements and viewpoints doesn't guarantee the single source is right. However, a variety of people over the years (Drake & others) have also remarked on the over-the-top surveillance. It's also true that…

But the NSA has not admitted certain of Greenwald's accusations[1]. Greenwald's journalistic integrity has also been questioned before[2]. So, as I stated, makes you wonder what else he can be exaggerating or (intentionally?) not fact checking. I honestly can not see how someone could not be skeptical Greenwald. [1] http://thedailybanter.com/2013/06/nsa-story-falling-apart-un... [2] http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013…

From [2]: "...he mixes high-concept political commentary with the lowest forms of tabloid propaganda in service to a religiously anti-Obama narrative" yea, this person has no idea what Greenwald is about.

Re: I Transcribed Glenn Greenwald's 30C3 Keynote

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Post by enko »

jonnybgood wrote: post #33

I'm very skeptical of Glenn Greenwald. I'm surprised by how many will readily accept whatever he says. That's kinda scary. There's a question of credibility when you don't fact check[1]. Makes you wonder what else is Greenwald exaggerating or not fact checking. [1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/06/1...

That article is textbook character assassination based on an unimportant nit-pick the washington post itself couldn't even "fact-check". Instead, Booz Hamilton provided Snowden's base salary - not how much he actually earned, which could have included overtime, bonuses, any other kind of allowance. It seems entirely likely to me that Snowden's actual take home could have been well above the base rate. Certainly no-one has tabled any evidence otherwise.

So you're basing your skepticism on what? That he used the word salary instead of income? That's why he has lost all credibility? Not to mention this personal detail has nothing to do with the actual allegations.

Congratulations, you swallowed this textbook hit piece hook, line and sinker. Its entire purpose was to make people "skeptical", of course, and it obviously worked.

Re: I Transcribed Glenn Greenwald's 30C3 Keynote

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Post by freshhawk »

AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #14
coldcode wrote: post #11

Reading this (and others) makes me conclude that we the people (or any country, but especially here in the US) are truly and royally fucked. For every brave person who stands up there are a hundred thousand who refuse to the see the sun rises in the east and continues to believe what they are being told, that it rises in the west.

Technology will be the solution, not politics. Cryptography is the only way out of this hell.

Technology makes things more efficient, in general. That means those in power have a heightened ability to abuse that power. The idea that technology is a democratizing force is based on wishful thinking.

Technology is not, and has never been, a solution to the concentration of power.

I say that as someone who would absolutely love for this not to be true by the way.

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