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Your entire comment was sarcasm. Sarcasm is not a constructive or compelling way of making an argument.
Sarcasm is a brilliant tool to use against derailing.
Why? It's just a strawman.
I worked on the US drone program. The public should know what really goes on
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Re: I worked on the US drone program. The public should know what really goes on
#422Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> When due process is undermined, the population becomes more alienated from the government, and more individuals become radicalized, and more terrorism happens. How many lives of soldiers would be risked and how much money would be spent for operations to 'capture' the terrorists in foreign nations? And will nations like Pakistan allow military (or law enforcement) operations on their soil by foreign govts to captu…
>If some Chinese or Russian 'freedom' fighters decide to train militarily in US with the goal of toppling current govt of China/Russia and did actually cause deaths/damage in China/Russia, would US govt sit back and let them train in US? Probably not. The line of argument is so simplistic it boggles my mind. Lets get few facts straight: a. Goal of terrorists is not to topple US government. You can't draw parallels be…
>They dare not do the same against, Russia, China or even India.
Is there proof that terrorist organization leaders are operating in those countries unchecked?
Re: I worked on the US drone program. The public should know what really goes on
#423Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> When due process is undermined, the population becomes more alienated from the government, and more individuals become radicalized, and more terrorism happens. How many lives of soldiers would be risked and how much money would be spent for operations to 'capture' the terrorists in foreign nations? And will nations like Pakistan allow military (or law enforcement) operations on their soil by foreign govts to captu…
"You don't want to see drones operating in foreign nations? Use your energy helping NGO and the local govt overcome corruption, ignorance, and backbone shattering poverty. Give no space for terrorists to operate in." Ah yes, this is the shit I just love about these arguments. Stop complaining about these things that kill thousands of innocent people. Your only appropriate action, according to some guy on the internet…
>How? How does your brain get to this point? I'm just sitting here floored that I live in a country where a non-zero amount of people feel the way you do.
If you are really are floored by this, you have a very weak sense of perspective. These conclusions are all very easy to get to if you follow this notion that members of terrorist organizations must be killed. If you set that as an unmovable goal, you will very quickly end up at these types of conclusions.
Try to gain some perspective. Just throwing a fit of incredulity doesn't help any arguments because the other side usually feels the same way about you.
Re: I worked on the US drone program. The public should know what really goes on
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Why must war be against countries? The types of activities being carried out in Yemen, Pakistan, etc, if state sanctioned, would be justification for war. Does the fact that Yemen and Pakistan can't police themselves internally enough to stop these activities make military retaliation unjustified? Would you feel better if we just declared war on Yemen and Pakistan?
Yes. The scariest thing about our current military adventures is that they are based on a declaration of war against a brand name rather than against a state, which could conceivably be toppled to end the war. The 2001 AUMF goes a step past Orwell by declaring war not merely against Eastasia, but against any organization that might potentially share any of the amorphous subjective defining attributes of Eastasia. Yes…
I despise war in general, but my god do I agree with you on this. I worry about the future, and where this War On Nothing Concrete will lead our western world...
Re: I worked on the US drone program. The public should know what really goes on
#425Earlier quoted context omitted.
>If some Chinese or Russian 'freedom' fighters decide to train militarily in US with the goal of toppling current govt of China/Russia and did actually cause deaths/damage in China/Russia, would US govt sit back and let them train in US? Probably not. The line of argument is so simplistic it boggles my mind. Lets get few facts straight: a. Goal of terrorists is not to topple US government. You can't draw parallels be…
>They dare not do the same against, Russia, China or even India. Is there proof that terrorist organization leaders are operating in those countries unchecked?
Let's say they are just operatives of these countries like Taliban was (maybe still is!!!) operative of CIA. And what?
Re: I worked on the US drone program. The public should know what really goes on
#426Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just so I know I'm not misunderstanding: the fact that they fund religious schools alone justifies bombings, invasions, etc.? We're through the looking glass here, people.
No, the fact that they fund religious schools that teach virulently anti-western sentiment is an attack on our national interest and justifies military action.
I really disagree with you, entirely on this matter, but come on people, don't down vote just because you hate that viewpoint...
Re: I worked on the US drone program. The public should know what really goes on
#427Earlier quoted context omitted.
"You don't want to see drones operating in foreign nations? Use your energy helping NGO and the local govt overcome corruption, ignorance, and backbone shattering poverty. Give no space for terrorists to operate in." Ah yes, this is the shit I just love about these arguments. Stop complaining about these things that kill thousands of innocent people. Your only appropriate action, according to some guy on the internet…
>How? How does your brain get to this point? I'm just sitting here floored that I live in a country where a non-zero amount of people feel the way you do. If you are really are floored by this, you have a very weak sense of perspective. These conclusions are all very easy to get to if you follow this notion that members of terrorist organizations must be killed. If you set that as an unmovable goal, you will very qui…
"Just throwing a fit of incredulity doesn't help any arguments because the other side usually feels the same way about you."
Just as this massive exaggeration makes your point similarly difficult to take seriously. But you seem to value snark to strangers over actually relaying any sort of useful information so I'll leave you to that. Cheers.
edit: oh hey, what a shocker, a quick look at the first page of your posting history reveals literally no actual contributions and a bunch of snarky one liners. Give this guy a round of applause for these rock bottom contributions everyone! Bravo!
Re: I worked on the US drone program. The public should know what really goes on
#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Bombay terrorist bombings are indeed -- like so many terrorist attacks -- a false-flag operation, organized by the United States' intelligence services.
Source (link) please, or I'll proclaim that the tin foil hat brigade has now thorougly infiltrated HN.
You are threatening to "proclaim that the tin foil hat brigade has now thorougly infiltrated HN." based on one single post made by one person in a community of thousands? Did you go to a school specifically to learn how to create logic this poor?
Re: I worked on the US drone program. The public should know what really goes on
#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> When due process is undermined, the population becomes more alienated from the government, and more individuals become radicalized, and more terrorism happens. How many lives of soldiers would be risked and how much money would be spent for operations to 'capture' the terrorists in foreign nations? And will nations like Pakistan allow military (or law enforcement) operations on their soil by foreign govts to captu…
>If some Chinese or Russian 'freedom' fighters decide to train militarily in US with the goal of toppling current govt of China/Russia and did actually cause deaths/damage in China/Russia, would US govt sit back and let them train in US? Probably not. The line of argument is so simplistic it boggles my mind. Lets get few facts straight: a. Goal of terrorists is not to topple US government. You can't draw parallels be…
Bravo!
All human rights violations aside, what the US doesn't realize is that every new drone strike is creating new cadres for Al Qaeda and others to recruit from.
Re: I worked on the US drone program. The public should know what really goes on
#430I can't believe this goes on...