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How I published a fake paper, and why it is the fault of our education system

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Re: How I published a fake paper, and why it is the fault of our education system

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>Seems like an impressive conference, and getting a paper published in this conference should be a big achievement on any student’s resume, right? No, absolutely not. Looking at the web site immediately raises two red flags: 1) It's a multi-topic conference. Usually these fall into two categories: Undergrad conferences and money-making scams. Participating in neither of them is "a big achievement" 2) The submission d…

Another red flag - Is it just me, or is the header image on the conference website an image of Las Vegas?

Definitely LV. Caesar's Palace, the Rio--pretty distinguishable buildings. And you can see the light beam from the Luxor.

Re: How I published a fake paper, and why it is the fault of our education system

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Reminds me of when Alan Sokal wrote a paper full of buzzwords and co-opted scientific language and name-dropping then submitted it to a prestigious cultural studies journal [1]. Thesis: quantum gravity is merely a social and linguistic construct. Accepted. The humanities are still trying to recover from that one. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

The randomly generated talks here are just as hilarious: http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/#talks But the sad thing is, you could probably show stuff like this on a TV series as a "this is what research produces" and the majority of people wouldn't know any better.

Then again, the same thing can be said for any of us reading Ph.D. dissertations outside our fields.

Re: How I published a fake paper, and why it is the fault of our education system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The IEEE label isn't an indicator of quality and similar papers have been published in IEEE sponsored conferences. See http://diehimmelistschoen.blogspot.com/ and http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/ . One of my old professors used to joke that "for every paper, there is a conference that accepts it." Unfortunately this is somewhat literally true. This isn't unique to any one country as the SCIgen successes demonstrate…

Of course there are regional IEEE conferences. But in general, the international IEEE conferences and journals by the bigger societies are probably the best ones out there. I have published quite a bit in the physical sciences/engineering field and in my experience the IEEE journals have a far better peer review process than AIP, ACS, Elsevier and even NPG. The same goes for the conferences.

I used to think if it's IEEE or ACM, they are ok (not good) to publish. Nowadays, I am not so sure after seeing a bunch of low quality "international" conferences in Asian especially in India. ACM seems a little better than IEEE...

Now my rule is to only publish in conferences that I know or are well known in the field....

Aslo reject any requests to serve as a TPC or reviewer for conferences from this region..The papers are normally low quality and waste of my time to read...

Re: How I published a fake paper, and why it is the fault of our education system

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could it be possible that there are many scentific papers written by phd and masters which are simply garbage?

All this time I thought, "but these guys are smart, they went and got phd and masters and their thesis sounds really intriguing", but reading through the paper, absolutely nothing is presented but just words for the sake of filling up space?

Also papers that seems to skew their quantitative results, multiple papers claiming higher success rates than the previous while in small letters acknowledging crucial items that distort the results.

Am I crazy for thinking I am making this up in my head?

p.s. is there a way to get access to scientific papers without paying $24 each time or a subscription fee? google scholar is good but some of the papers really insist on you paying. I thought knowledge was supposed to be free!

Re: How I published a fake paper, and why it is the fault of our education system

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The IEEE label isn't an indicator of quality and similar papers have been published in IEEE sponsored conferences. See http://diehimmelistschoen.blogspot.com/ and http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/ . One of my old professors used to joke that "for every paper, there is a conference that accepts it." Unfortunately this is somewhat literally true. This isn't unique to any one country as the SCIgen successes demonstrate…

Of course there are regional IEEE conferences. But in general, the international IEEE conferences and journals by the bigger societies are probably the best ones out there. I have published quite a bit in the physical sciences/engineering field and in my experience the IEEE journals have a far better peer review process than AIP, ACS, Elsevier and even NPG. The same goes for the conferences.

What makes a conference good isn't the IEEE label but rather the reputation of the conference itself and its corresponding ability to attract a high quality program committee.

The important point here is that there isn't a shortcut to evaluating conference quality. You have to know your field, know who is worth listening to and who isn't, know what the top conferences are, what the mediocre conferences are and so forth. If a new conference springs up, you need to be able to judge whether to pay attention by looking at the PC.

> Of course there are regional IEEE conferences. But in general, the international IEEE conferences and journals by the bigger societies are probably the best ones out there.

You can't really make general statements like that. For example, CAV proceedings are published by Springer (http://www.springer.com/computer/theoretical+computer+scienc...). JPDC is a well-regarded journal in the parallel computing community that is published by Elsevier.

And a "regional" conference doesn't mean it's a bad conference. DATE (http://www.date-conference.com/) is probably the second best design automation conference behind DAC. ASPDAC, ATVA, APLAS, FSTTCS are some well-regarded regional conferences and there are plenty more like these. Not all of these are IEEE sponsored either.

> I have published quite a bit in the physical sciences/engineering field and in my experience the IEEE journals have a far better peer review process than AIP, ACS, Elsevier and even NPG. The same goes for the conferences.

I'm not trying to slight IEEE here. I looked through my publication list and it turns out all my papers are in IEEE conferences and journals! But on the other hand, a few of them could easily have ended up in a venue like CAV and this wouldn't magically make them worse papers.

The key point here I want to make here is this: there is no substitute for knowing your field, if you're judging conference quality by the IEEE label, you're doing something wrong.

Re: How I published a fake paper, and why it is the fault of our education system

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post #13
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course there are regional IEEE conferences. But in general, the international IEEE conferences and journals by the bigger societies are probably the best ones out there. I have published quite a bit in the physical sciences/engineering field and in my experience the IEEE journals have a far better peer review process than AIP, ACS, Elsevier and even NPG. The same goes for the conferences.

I used to think if it's IEEE or ACM, they are ok (not good) to publish. Nowadays, I am not so sure after seeing a bunch of low quality "international" conferences in Asian especially in India. ACM seems a little better than IEEE... Now my rule is to only publish in conferences that I know or are well known in the field.... Aslo reject any requests to serve as a TPC or reviewer for conferences from this region..The pa…

You have way too much time on your hands if you are considering review requests from people you don't know.

Re: How I published a fake paper, and why it is the fault of our education system

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Reminds me of when Alan Sokal wrote a paper full of buzzwords and co-opted scientific language and name-dropping then submitted it to a prestigious cultural studies journal [1]. Thesis: quantum gravity is merely a social and linguistic construct. Accepted. The humanities are still trying to recover from that one. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

The randomly generated talks here are just as hilarious: http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/#talks But the sad thing is, you could probably show stuff like this on a TV series as a "this is what research produces" and the majority of people wouldn't know any better.

Reminds of Reggie Watt's "unpredictably brilliant" parody of a Ted Talk.

[Skip to 0:54 for English] http://www.ted.com/talks/reggie_watts_disorients_you_in_the_...

Re: How I published a fake paper, and why it is the fault of our education system

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could it be possible that there are many scentific papers written by phd and masters which are simply garbage? All this time I thought, "but these guys are smart, they went and got phd and masters and their thesis sounds really intriguing", but reading through the paper, absolutely nothing is presented but just words for the sake of filling up space? Also papers that seems to skew their quantitative results, multiple…

That's PhD level thinking!

"Undergrads think they know everything. Grad students know they know nothing. PhD's know everybody else knows nothing."

p.s. no, hope the open access movement takes off (I think it is), or find a a friend in a university you can tunnel into. Given knowledge is power, it's not surprising someone is making tons of money off it.

Re: How I published a fake paper, and why it is the fault of our education system

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Reminds me of when Alan Sokal wrote a paper full of buzzwords and co-opted scientific language and name-dropping then submitted it to a prestigious cultural studies journal [1]. Thesis: quantum gravity is merely a social and linguistic construct. Accepted. The humanities are still trying to recover from that one. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

> The humanities are still trying to recover from that one.

In much the same way that 'science' is still recovering from prestigious journals publishing results that mysteriously fail to replicate[1] and software engineering is still recovering from the fact that there are 85 randomly generated papers published by the IEEE[2], yes.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%B6n_scandal

[2] http://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs/00/71/35/55/PDF/0-FakeD...

Re: How I published a fake paper, and why it is the fault of our education system

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Neither the first time nor the last. In fact, this should be a semi-official running gag (a-la Chaos Monkey) with all journals to keep them honest. Btw I had this wild English prof that claimed to have written crazy shit in undergrad papers that was never caught to prove that graded papers were just skimmed.

I had a crazy English prof that told me he never wrote a line of anything that wasn't complete malarkey, including his PhD thesis.

He's currently enjoying being a highly respected prof at a top uni, and he still writes complete gibberish. He's one hell of a writing teacher, which is probably why they keep him around.

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