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The Decline of IE and Firefox

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Re: The Decline of IE and Firefox

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Post by simbolit »

ams6110 wrote: post #14
dserban wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would give it at least a little bit of credibility just based on the fact that it's a consumer-oriented site with a wider audience than just us technical people. But I agree it's just one data point among many. Which brings up an interesting question, since we're on a site for startup founders: what kind of traffic patterns do you guys see on your websites?

My guess would be that among tech users, Firefox has gained over the past year, given concerns about privacy and Google's relentless slurping of browsing behavior from anywhere they can get it. That's the reason I switched from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago; I now only use Chrome for Google apps.

any particular reason you do not use chromium, the OpenSource version of Chrome?

Re: The Decline of IE and Firefox

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Post by dspillett »

Bahamut wrote: post #11
jgalt212 wrote: post #9

The stats are dramatically different for an enterprise focused website. As a counterexample, we show for our site: IE (all versions) is 52% of visits in the last month. IE 8.0 is 25% of IE traffic For the same month in 2012, IE traffic was 62% of all visits, so we are showing drops as well, but not to the extent we can ignore the needs of our IE customers. In short, know your customer. I don't like IE, but we like ou…

Wow, that is high. I work in the edtech space myself, and supposedly the IE 8 stats are around ~10% for us, which is high enough to not ignore (unfortunately).

With the clients of out main money making application (investment banks for the most part) IE8 is well over 80%, possibly even 90%, though we are increasingly seeing the use of Chrome too as that has started making its way into standard desktop builds to deal with the increaing number of apps that are out right refusing to support IE8. MS are starting to lose a chunk of corporate use here: by not offering an easy way to run modernm IE and legacy IE side-by-side they are essentially giving market share to Chrome as some corporates can't drop IE8 easily (due to some intranet apps they still rely on) but are starting to need to have something more modern at the same time (they would use IE10 instead if they could easily run that along side IE8).

Re: The Decline of IE and Firefox

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Post by dspillett »

chasing wrote: post #12

Those graphs are misleading. The first one visually indicates that Chrome currently has something like 100x the share of Firefox -- while the numbers indicate it's more like 3x. You should at least have the base of the graphs at 0%. Probably even better to have to top line of the graphs at 100%. That'd give a truer visual representation of the data.

That and the use of "Windoze" without a hint of irony makes me label this an unreliably biased source. As much as I'd love to se IE8- vanish and don't care what happens to IE9+, if this article said the summery sky were usually blue I'd want to verify the facts with other sources before taking them as stated.

Re: The Decline of IE and Firefox

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Post by Teckla »

Arelius wrote: post #29
pastpartisan wrote: post #28

Firefox has become too slow with too many updates and internet explorer merits no further comment

If you think this is still true, then clearly you haven't used Firefox as of recent.

I wouldn't say Firefox is slow, but the UI still has weird latency issues that I don't see in Chrome.

For the record, I use both Chrome and Firefox, heavily. The Chrome UI is very rarely laggy. The Firefox UI is often laggy. It's maddening, and I wish Mozilla would fix it.

Re: The Decline of IE and Firefox

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Post by putlake »

chasing wrote: post #12

Those graphs are misleading. The first one visually indicates that Chrome currently has something like 100x the share of Firefox -- while the numbers indicate it's more like 3x. You should at least have the base of the graphs at 0%. Probably even better to have to top line of the graphs at 100%. That'd give a truer visual representation of the data.

No it won't. I hate non-zero based graphs as much as the next guy. Except when necessary. In this case, a customized Y-axis was necessary to really show the magnitude of the drop. 4 percentage points dropping out of a scale of 100 won't even register. But it is a HUGE drop and you need a graph that amplifies the Y-axis to show the difference.

Re: The Decline of IE and Firefox

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Post by putlake »

dspillett wrote: post #43
chasing wrote: post #12

Those graphs are misleading. The first one visually indicates that Chrome currently has something like 100x the share of Firefox -- while the numbers indicate it's more like 3x. You should at least have the base of the graphs at 0%. Probably even better to have to top line of the graphs at 100%. That'd give a truer visual representation of the data.

That and the use of "Windoze" without a hint of irony makes me label this an unreliably biased source. As much as I'd love to se IE8- vanish and don't care what happens to IE9+, if this article said the summery sky were usually blue I'd want to verify the facts with other sources before taking them as stated.

The blog post links to several other sources of browser market share. You are free to look them up. I have nothing against IE and there is no cause for bias in something like this.

"Windoze" is general humor, it's not irony. Check http://www.isitironic.com

Re: The Decline of IE and Firefox

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Post by putlake »

silvestrov wrote: post #4

All those graphs should start the y-axis with 0%, starting at 5% or 10% makes the decline/increase seem bigger than it really is.

No, it shouldn't start at 0% and shouldn't go to 100%. If I did that then a 4% drop wouldn't register at all. I know Y-axis scams all too well and this isn't one of them. Browser market shares move very, very slowly and on a 0-100 scale all you would see are (almost) flat lines. The story will be lost.

Re: The Decline of IE and Firefox

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Post by dspillett »

putlake wrote: post #47
dspillett wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and the use of "Windoze" without a hint of irony makes me label this an unreliably biased source. As much as I'd love to se IE8- vanish and don't care what happens to IE9+, if this article said the summery sky were usually blue I'd want to verify the facts with other sources before taking them as stated.

The blog post links to several other sources of browser market share. You are free to look them up. I have nothing against IE and there is no cause for bias in something like this. "Windoze" is general humor, it's not irony. Check http://www.isitironic.com

You seemed to have missed the words "without a hint of irony" in my post. The use of "windoze" did not give me the impression is was used purely in jest (intentional irony or some other form of humour). It, like other such respellings such as "M$ Widnows", tends to scream BIAS HERE, ENGAGE LEVEL 2 SALT PINCH BEFORE READING FURTHER in most cases.
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