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Re: British government porn filters block EFF, Linux, Amnesty and more

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

This is completely false. The author of the original article (http://bsdly.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/the-uk-porn-filter-block...), Peter N. M. Hansteen, confused one ISP's opt-in parental whitelist with the UK's national opt-out blacklist. When informed of his error, he did not correct it but just added an update at the bottom ranting about opt-in parental filters, so sites like TGDaily and TechEye are still reading the first few pages and perpetuating the falsehood.

This makes opponents of UK censorship look like clueless idiots and hurts the entire cause. Nice job, Peter Hansteen.

Re: British government porn filters block EFF, Linux, Amnesty and more

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Post by [deleted] »

Pezmc wrote: post #10
verandaguy wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it then be possible for someone with a new Internet hookup in the UK to confirm/disconfirm this?

Can confirm this article as correct: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25430582 Am able (on Sky) to access all the sites mentioned on this article. I do however, strongly disagree with the sentiment that this filter is "Just another attempt by the Tories to prevent people finding out information." It's not, it's just a very poorly implemented filter by the ISP's that can be 'hacked' with a simple proxy. We had to deal wit…

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Re: British government porn filters block EFF, Linux, Amnesty and more

#14

Post by GunlogAlm »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #11

This is completely false. The author of the original article ( http://bsdly.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/the-uk-porn-filter-block... ), Peter N. M. Hansteen, confused one ISP's opt-in parental whitelist with the UK's national opt-out blacklist. When informed of his error, he did not correct it but just added an update at the bottom ranting about opt-in parental filters, so sites like TGDaily and TechEye are still reading t…

This confusion has occurred often in recent weeks. Many non-Brits mistakenly believe this is the government filter when in reality it's an ISP's (most recently BT).

Re: British government porn filters block EFF, Linux, Amnesty and more

#15

Post by mistakoala »

How does such cuntery based on paper-thin fact-checking and high doses of bullshit get anywhere near HN?

I'm more disappointed in HN readers than the bell-end who wrote this crap.

Outrage-fuelled stuff like this makes me angry because such mendacious behaviour makes a mockery of serious concerns about /actual/ censorship and the activities of the state in controlling the Internet. The author shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a keyboard.

Re: British government porn filters block EFF, Linux, Amnesty and more

#16

Post by mistakoala »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #11

This is completely false. The author of the original article ( http://bsdly.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/the-uk-porn-filter-block... ), Peter N. M. Hansteen, confused one ISP's opt-in parental whitelist with the UK's national opt-out blacklist. When informed of his error, he did not correct it but just added an update at the bottom ranting about opt-in parental filters, so sites like TGDaily and TechEye are still reading t…

You've managed to make the same point I've just made, but without the angry swearing. I salute your coolheadedness, sir.

Re: British government porn filters block EFF, Linux, Amnesty and more

#17

Post by GunlogAlm »

notastartup wrote: post #13

How do British folks feel about this? I mean if they tried to pull shit like this in Canada, people would flip, burn down the parliament building.

If you mean the filter: most of the support is from Conservative voters, especially the older voters and parents. Labour and the Conservatives support it, I think many Lib Dems oppose it.

A few years ago I would have said the same thing - "If they did this here, Brits would go mad!" - I think everyone wants to believe that about their country, but when it comes to it people are surprisingly accepting.

Also, it's worth noting this article is wrong: no government filter in the UK is in place yet, this was an ISP's own filter.

Re: British government porn filters block EFF, Linux, Amnesty and more

#18

Post by GunlogAlm »

thirdsight wrote: post #4
quantumpotato_ wrote: post #2

Can anyone in the UK verify this?

I have access to several machines on UK ISPs. Quick SSH and poke with links on each machine. 1. Easynet - all work fine. 2. Andrews & Arnold - all work fine (this is expected) 3. O2/Sky - all work fine 4. BT - all work fine All of these lines were provisioned before the porn filter was announced so... Edit: tested Amnesty, OpenBSD (which these machines are all running and would be a PITA for me) and linux.com

What do you mean by "(this is expected)" with A&A?

Re: British government porn filters block EFF, Linux, Amnesty and more

#19

Post by DanBC »

notastartup wrote: post #13

How do British folks feel about this? I mean if they tried to pull shit like this in Canada, people would flip, burn down the parliament building.

About an opt in filter provided for customers who ask for it?

I think those filters are generally lousy.

You say that canadians would be up in arms. So, can some say "cunt" on daytime canadian tv?

I ask because even in the US showing less than a second of partially uncovered nipple resulted in a fine of $500,000 for one broadcaster. I don't know much about the US system so maybe I'm wrong but that's an example of a government preventing people from broadcasting something. See the good wife episode where swear words are obscured in a knowing way by street noise outside the court.

If you're talking about government blocklists most people are okay with IWF because the scope is tight and there's no feature creep so far. Most people in the uk don't want images of child sexual abuse to be easy to find. But the proposed filter isn't goong to be like that; it'll be much more like existing net nanny software, and people realise that software is rubbish and stupid.

Re: British government porn filters block EFF, Linux, Amnesty and more

#20

Post by thirdsight »

GunlogAlm wrote: post #18
thirdsight wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have access to several machines on UK ISPs. Quick SSH and poke with links on each machine. 1. Easynet - all work fine. 2. Andrews & Arnold - all work fine (this is expected) 3. O2/Sky - all work fine 4. BT - all work fine All of these lines were provisioned before the porn filter was announced so... Edit: tested Amnesty, OpenBSD (which these machines are all running and would be a PITA for me) and linux.com

What do you mean by "(this is expected)" with A&A?

A&A refuse customers who opt in to filtering.

http://www.aa.net.uk/kb-broadband-realinternet.html

This is the correct solution to the problem.

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