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Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80%

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Re: Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80%

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but it was certainly a shit business decision Not really, because they're using this kind of punishment to make an example of them in order to prevent future SEO abuse by others. It's probably for the better.

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Almost no one will notice as long as they get their lyrics.

Re: Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80%

#52

This has moved from an interesting case study in SEO to unadulterated schadenfreude.

schadenfreude by who? Certainly not by Google or the media.

By people who are not fans of Rap Genius, of which there are many. (I like the site, for what it's worth).

Re: Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80%

#53

Which is really a shame, because RapGenius is a better lyrics site than all the rest by leaps and bounds. Google is acting like a cartel here and it's absolutely ridiculous. I hope they can beat this thing.

They're using this as a punitive measure to prevent SEO abuse from happening in the future. I don't see much of a problem with it. Google is doing everyone a favor here - including helping out other search engines . Users who care enough can just go directly to the site.

google already took equal measures with other companies, pretty public all of them. this story is making a lot of noise on the interwebs because its a known startup with well known investors. had it been a random blog no one would be talking about this.

google's action is only consistent with what it has done in the past with others.

Re: Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80%

#54

why is rap genius the best for lyrics? if i want lyrics, i want a simple print out of the lyrics

They have added value in their annotated lyrics, which comes in handy especially with cryptic word play/slang in rap lyrics.

You realize any Joe Schmoe can annotate what he personally believes the meaning of a particular lyric is.

If you read any Kanye West lyrics on that site, they break down every line like it's some kind of literary divine intervention of pure brilliance by grasping at every straw possible.

Re: Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80%

#55
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but it was certainly a shit business decision Not really, because they're using this kind of punishment to make an example of them in order to prevent future SEO abuse by others. It's probably for the better.

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Assuming Google can perfectly balance a general purpose and highly complex system like this is naive or just plain disingenuous. The best they can do is penalize them on certain metrics and if that has other side effects, well, too f*cking bad.

Re: Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80%

#56

Which is really a shame, because RapGenius is a better lyrics site than all the rest by leaps and bounds. Google is acting like a cartel here and it's absolutely ridiculous. I hope they can beat this thing.

Google penalized BMW, arguably one of the best automobile manufacturers in the world. Very little outrage over that.

Just because you're good at something doesn't mean you're above the rules. I RapGenius was an AWFUL lyric site there would be zero sympathy from anyone over their SEO tactics.

Re: Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80%

#57

Which is really a shame, because RapGenius is a better lyrics site than all the rest by leaps and bounds. Google is acting like a cartel here and it's absolutely ridiculous. I hope they can beat this thing.

I greatly prefer AZLyrics - they give me the lyrics on a page with just the lyrics, that's all I want nearly 100% of the time. It's not even a contest: http://i.imgur.com/H1QixcN.png

This. Sometimes I feel the ppl claiming rg'S results are better aren't actually even looking for lyrics. They're just comparing the brand name, ui experience, startup culture, tech etc

Re: Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80%

#58
post #15

I'm not sure if it's right or wrong what Google did, but it was certainly a shit business decision. It's Google's job to be a proper search tool for anyone to get the best possible results when searching something as simple as "rapgenius". If I search "rapgenius" and don't get the hugely popular website http://rapgenius.com as the first result, then that's bad service on Google's end.

It's a game theory thing. There have been and will be a huge number of sites that would do anything to be #1 on Google. In an iterated game, punishments must have a deterrent effect. They might seem disproportional, but Google's goal is not "do what's best for the world in this one instance, ignoring the long-term effects". Google's goal is "make sure nobody will try to cheat Google's algorithms, now or in the future…

Well put. Also, maybe RG made things worse for themselves with their "apology", which attempted to point out other misdeeds by competing lyrics sites. Had that argument prevailed, the message sent might have been "it's probably safe to game Google as long as you can find other successful-seeming sites playing the same game", which would be a very bad precedent for Google to be facing.

Re: Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80%

#59

This has moved from an interesting case study in SEO to unadulterated schadenfreude.

Understandable, considering the founders are enormously arrogant douchebags. If you stand on a podium and exude pure arrogance, people tend to enjoy watching you get thrown off it.

Re: Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80%

#60

Which is really a shame, because RapGenius is a better lyrics site than all the rest by leaps and bounds. Google is acting like a cartel here and it's absolutely ridiculous. I hope they can beat this thing.

I greatly prefer AZLyrics - they give me the lyrics on a page with just the lyrics, that's all I want nearly 100% of the time. It's not even a contest: http://i.imgur.com/H1QixcN.png

That's because you have AdBlock running. This is what I got: http://i.imgur.com/R0wOh3R.png

Oh, there was also a big pop up page: http://www.azlyrics.com/eyeblaster/addineyeV2.html http://i.imgur.com/RwiGpdq.png

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